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Somer Blink - Asked to stop but have got worse!

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YesYes NoNoNo
Karmic Rebalance
#101 - 2013-11-01 14:47:55 UTC  |  Edited by: YesYes NoNoNo
Sexy Cakes wrote:
For all we know CCP is working side by side with SOMER on this 1 billion credits per plex.


When was the last time you heard of an ISK seller being given 10 days to stop?

Coupled with the complete silence on CCP's side - it's pretty obvious.

Somer's said before that he talks to CCP before doing this sort of thing / checked with them before doing the 1b thing.

Yet they won't talk to us....
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#102 - 2013-11-01 14:52:22 UTC
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:
They got what they want and i made out like a bandit too..

Like you didnt jump on the amazon mistake? lmao ... strike while iron is hot i always say
Would you also loot shops when there's a riot going on? No security, window's already broken... Strike while the iron is hot an all that...

Or an old lady falls asleep on the bus, and a few notes are lying half out of her purse. Take them right? The iron is hot!

Being able to do something and profit doesn't automatically make it the right thing to do.


Did you just quote morals, on eve? something ive been getting **** for for like 2 weeks?
Morals are always there, even in EVE. Sure, they don't apply to things like blowing up peoples stuff, it's a game, and that's what happens in this game. But the rules are the rules, and you stick to them even when they don't suit you. That's just the way it is.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#103 - 2013-11-01 14:53:19 UTC
YesYes NoNoNo wrote:
Sexy Cakes wrote:
For all we know CCP is working side by side with SOMER on this 1 billion credits per plex.


When was the last time you heard of an ISK seller being given 10 days to stop?

Coupled with the complete silence on CCP's side - it's pretty obvious.

Somer's said before that he talks to CCP before doing this sort of thing / checked with them before doing the 1b thing.

Yet they won't talk to us....
Somer has actually tweeted that he/she has been talking to CCP on skype.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

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YesYes NoNoNo
Karmic Rebalance
#104 - 2013-11-01 14:54:39 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
YesYes NoNoNo wrote:
Sexy Cakes wrote:
For all we know CCP is working side by side with SOMER on this 1 billion credits per plex.


When was the last time you heard of an ISK seller being given 10 days to stop?

Coupled with the complete silence on CCP's side - it's pretty obvious.

Somer's said before that he talks to CCP before doing this sort of thing / checked with them before doing the 1b thing.

Yet they won't talk to us....
Somer has actually tweeted that he/she has been talking to CCP on skype.


https://twitter.com/somersetmahm/status/396090063248818176

Correct, 13 hours ago.

Yet CCP can't be bothered to engage the community.
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#105 - 2013-11-01 14:55:54 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
YesYes NoNoNo wrote:
Sexy Cakes wrote:
For all we know CCP is working side by side with SOMER on this 1 billion credits per plex.


When was the last time you heard of an ISK seller being given 10 days to stop?

Coupled with the complete silence on CCP's side - it's pretty obvious.

Somer's said before that he talks to CCP before doing this sort of thing / checked with them before doing the 1b thing.

Yet they won't talk to us....
Somer has actually tweeted that he/she has been talking to CCP on skype.


Outrage! Favoritism! This should not be possible! It's all one big conspiracy I tell you! Lol

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Jythier Smith
BGG Wolves
#106 - 2013-11-01 14:56:15 UTC
If it already was illegal, then why wasn't it stopped? Why did the rules have to change?

I'm just too new to care about Somer Blink at all. Only hear about it in articles I've been reading to get to know EVE better. Turns out there are a bunch of morons playing EVE who really want to gamble... well, just undock your ships and you're gambling already.

Who didn't know what Somer Blink was doing that they were 'exposed'? Other affiliates were also doing similar things. They had to change the policy to make it illegal. When you change a policy, you don't get to go back and ban someone for breaking that policy in the past, and you give time to allow people to match the new policy. If you don't, you're a bad business partner.

Whether it should have been legal or not is a different answer, of course. Of course it should have been against the rules and CCP should have been enforcing it that way, but they chose to interpret their policy as allowing it, which is their right to do.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#107 - 2013-11-01 14:57:00 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Being able to do something and profit doesn't automatically make it the right thing to do.

True, but there's no need to take it into real life. The iron is also "hot" when you spot a Condor flying about with 30 PLEX in his cargo hold, or when someone puts an extra digit on a contract or market order.

It all depends on your perspective and which situational ethics you apply. Don't go quite too heavy on the ethical judgment there.
There's a different between what you do in game, where the rules are designed for you to be able to fight, and steal from each other. A pickpocket ability in a game is not morally wrong, as the game is designed to have that. RMT is against the rules, so supporting RMT is wrong, even if you profit from it.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#108 - 2013-11-01 14:58:09 UTC
Jythier Smith wrote:
If it already was illegal, then why wasn't it stopped? Why did the rules have to change?

I'm just too new to care about Somer Blink at all. Only hear about it in articles I've been reading to get to know EVE better. Turns out there are a bunch of morons playing EVE who really want to gamble... well, just undock your ships and you're gambling already.

Who didn't know what Somer Blink was doing that they were 'exposed'? Other affiliates were also doing similar things. They had to change the policy to make it illegal. When you change a policy, you don't get to go back and ban someone for breaking that policy in the past, and you give time to allow people to match the new policy. If you don't, you're a bad business partner.

Whether it should have been legal or not is a different answer, of course. Of course it should have been against the rules and CCP should have been enforcing it that way, but they chose to interpret their policy as allowing it, which is their right to do.
The didn't change the policy though, they simply put the onus on the GTC resellers to enforce the rules which were not being enforced.

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Viddyi Dukima
Ship Spinning Inc.
#109 - 2013-11-01 14:58:32 UTC
You know what would send a super great message? Gambling someplace else! Pirate One of those places might even give you free credit for inputting the "SOMERSUCKS" code into your profile page. Just sayin'!

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oOReikaOo Michiko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#110 - 2013-11-01 14:58:54 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Being able to do something and profit doesn't automatically make it the right thing to do.

True, but there's no need to take it into real life. The iron is also "hot" when you spot a Condor flying about with 30 PLEX in his cargo hold, or when someone puts an extra digit on a contract or market order.

It all depends on your perspective and which situational ethics you apply. Don't go quite too heavy on the ethical judgment there.
There's a different between what you do in game, where the rules are designed for you to be able to fight, and steal from each other. A pickpocket ability in a game is not morally wrong, as the game is designed to have that. RMT is against the rules, so supporting RMT is wrong, even if you profit from it.


We were supporting SOMER's RMT wayyyy before the iron became hot... Its just much more financially appealing now that they are closing shop

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfSDNPFCPfY
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#111 - 2013-11-01 14:59:25 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
YesYes NoNoNo wrote:
Sexy Cakes wrote:
For all we know CCP is working side by side with SOMER on this 1 billion credits per plex.


When was the last time you heard of an ISK seller being given 10 days to stop?

Coupled with the complete silence on CCP's side - it's pretty obvious.

Somer's said before that he talks to CCP before doing this sort of thing / checked with them before doing the 1b thing.

Yet they won't talk to us....
Somer has actually tweeted that he/she has been talking to CCP on skype.


Outrage! Favoritism! This should not be possible! It's all one big conspiracy I tell you! Lol
lol, not quite.
I just mean it shows that CCP are not being entirely silent, just silent to the community.

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Jythier Smith
BGG Wolves
#112 - 2013-11-01 15:01:21 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Jythier Smith wrote:
If it already was illegal, then why wasn't it stopped? Why did the rules have to change?

I'm just too new to care about Somer Blink at all. Only hear about it in articles I've been reading to get to know EVE better. Turns out there are a bunch of morons playing EVE who really want to gamble... well, just undock your ships and you're gambling already.

Who didn't know what Somer Blink was doing that they were 'exposed'? Other affiliates were also doing similar things. They had to change the policy to make it illegal. When you change a policy, you don't get to go back and ban someone for breaking that policy in the past, and you give time to allow people to match the new policy. If you don't, you're a bad business partner.

Whether it should have been legal or not is a different answer, of course. Of course it should have been against the rules and CCP should have been enforcing it that way, but they chose to interpret their policy as allowing it, which is their right to do.
The didn't change the policy though, they simply put the onus on the GTC resellers to enforce the rules which were not being enforced.


They changed their interpretation of it, which is effectively the same thing.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#113 - 2013-11-01 15:03:56 UTC
Jythier Smith wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Jythier Smith wrote:
If it already was illegal, then why wasn't it stopped? Why did the rules have to change?

I'm just too new to care about Somer Blink at all. Only hear about it in articles I've been reading to get to know EVE better. Turns out there are a bunch of morons playing EVE who really want to gamble... well, just undock your ships and you're gambling already.

Who didn't know what Somer Blink was doing that they were 'exposed'? Other affiliates were also doing similar things. They had to change the policy to make it illegal. When you change a policy, you don't get to go back and ban someone for breaking that policy in the past, and you give time to allow people to match the new policy. If you don't, you're a bad business partner.

Whether it should have been legal or not is a different answer, of course. Of course it should have been against the rules and CCP should have been enforcing it that way, but they chose to interpret their policy as allowing it, which is their right to do.
The didn't change the policy though, they simply put the onus on the GTC resellers to enforce the rules which were not being enforced.


They changed their interpretation of it, which is effectively the same thing.

Well no, it's not. And as far as I know it wasn't even the interpretation that they changed. They simply hadn't explicitly stated to the resellers that the EULA applied to the reseller rules too. Now they have. So everyone has to stop.
But Somer haven't they are RMTing as much as they can before they stop.

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Jove Death
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#114 - 2013-11-01 15:07:39 UTC
I think the reason why there not talking to us

is because its all being dealt with by there legal team or info team who dont actually speak to anyone What?

Quoting "you will die" in EvE is fail Chars dont die in EvE. Unless you have a heart attack eek.
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#115 - 2013-11-01 15:08:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
TigerXtrm wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Somer has actually tweeted that he/she has been talking to CCP on skype.


Outrage! Favoritism! This should not be possible! It's all one big conspiracy I tell you! Lol

Sometimes the symbolic value of an act is all that really matters.

If you don't remember Dianabolic's posts in the context of this thread then you will of course not realize the significance of bragging about having CCP employees on your IM.

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Gavinvin1337
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#116 - 2013-11-01 15:12:21 UTC
Tron 3K wrote:
Gavinvin1337 wrote:
Why is everyone hating on Somer?

I don't see what they have done wrong, they were given prizes from CCP and gifted ships from CCP, should they have refused them?

Everything that has gone wrong here is CCP's fault, you guys are just jealous the Somer came up with a good idea before you did.

I'd agree to it if it wasn't an idea breaking the rules. Unlike SOMER some of us actually follow the rules.



Somer's been in operation for years.

Isn't is funny that once CCP give them some shiny ships all of a sudden everyone 'realises' that what they have been doing is RMT and 'breaking the rules'.

I'm sure CCP are really happy that you have figured out a player run organisation that's been doing the same thing for years is actually breaking the rules.
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#117 - 2013-11-01 15:13:37 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:

Sometimes the symbolic value of an act is all that really matters.

If you don't remember Dianabolic's posts in the context of this thread then you will of course not realize the significance of bragging about having CCP employees on your IM.


Aaaaaaand the T20 link is made.

Way to cover your bases CCP.

Not today spaghetti.
YesYes NoNoNo
Karmic Rebalance
#118 - 2013-11-01 15:15:13 UTC
Gavinvin1337 wrote:
Tron 3K wrote:
Gavinvin1337 wrote:
Why is everyone hating on Somer?

I don't see what they have done wrong, they were given prizes from CCP and gifted ships from CCP, should they have refused them?

Everything that has gone wrong here is CCP's fault, you guys are just jealous the Somer came up with a good idea before you did.

I'd agree to it if it wasn't an idea breaking the rules. Unlike SOMER some of us actually follow the rules.



Somer's been in operation for years.

Isn't is funny that once CCP give them some shiny ships all of a sudden everyone 'realises' that what they have been doing is RMT and 'breaking the rules'.

I'm sure CCP are really happy that you have figured out a player run organisation that's been doing the same thing for years is actually breaking the rules.


It's come up repeatedly in the past, but never got the traction it has now until CCP started raining gifts down on an ISK seller.
Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#119 - 2013-11-01 15:18:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Argus Sorn
https://twitter.com/somersetmahm/status/396090063248818176

If it is true, this makes me sick. Genuinely sick.
Maaaaowm Ogeko
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#120 - 2013-11-01 15:20:40 UTC
Gavinvin1337 wrote:
Tron 3K wrote:
Gavinvin1337 wrote:
Why is everyone hating on Somer?

I don't see what they have done wrong, they were given prizes from CCP and gifted ships from CCP, should they have refused them?

Everything that has gone wrong here is CCP's fault, you guys are just jealous the Somer came up with a good idea before you did.

I'd agree to it if it wasn't an idea breaking the rules. Unlike SOMER some of us actually follow the rules.



Somer's been in operation for years.

Isn't is funny that once CCP give them some shiny ships all of a sudden everyone 'realises' that what they have been doing is RMT and 'breaking the rules'.



Yes. It would be knee-slappingly hilarious if it weren't so sad.