EVE General Discussion

Yea sure because I just had the impression youre trying to tell me what to do and were quite rude and stuff, usually people react like that wen theyre sort of not so relaxed. Good to know that you were just trolling, buddy.
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Maybe a dev post or something? Cant be that hard to write here, you need a PC, a keyboard, screen and a thought, you dont even need a mouse. They had plenty of time to think about an appropriate answer.

For instance why this has been overlooked in CCP by everyone for such a long time. Or why people are getting banned for posting porn in fleet chat but SOMER are getting a 10 days shut down period even though theyre the most blatant case of RMT in EvE history. This is completely out of proportion.

To my knowledge, which may be incomplete, Somer is a unique case, in that there has not, to date, been a situation like it in Eve.

There have always been peeps sponsoring GTC sellers(or vice versa as the case may be) on their sites as long as I've played Eve, which admittedly is only ~4 years. But I've never seen or heard of one quite so large, successful, or well developed as Somer.

It may have just been a case where CCP wasn't sure how/where/why to act with it.

They tried to acknowledge the work Somer has done with a few ships(what the ships are really isn't important as they were not money or isk) and also tried to gift the community a few things(guardian-vexors)through the service Somer provided. Again, not money or isk.


But peeps went crazy over it.

I really don't think(I have no screenshots or chatlogs for proof) that it was a malicious 'Screw You!' to the community. I'm more in the party that thinks it was an honest attempt to do something cool and fun.

Somer seems to be just a unique case in how large it has actually gotten. People have benefited, but my interactions with the Somer staff have never given me the impression it was all a 'Gonna take these peeps for all they got' scam. I've had some really good luck and really bad luck on Somer. At no point have I ever gotten the impression it was a get rich scheme. It just kinda turned into a profitable enterprise.

I mean, what are you wanting them to do then?

If their initial agreement with MD was $x off each GTC through their site to cover servers/etc, and initial sales were 200 GTC's a month to cover server costs, and in the interim they've ballooned to over 5000 GTC's a month(speaking theoretically).... What are they supposed to do? Give the money back?



Comparing that to an established protocol like posting in chats isn't really the same ball park.


Now if you wanted to compare it to GM application of the 'rules', their own statements, and their reviewal of the 'logs' policy.... well... then you're starting to get into the same ball park. Or compare it to Mad Ani's stream, and it's $5 dollar subscribe fee. Sure, at the front it makes sense. Mad Ani gets a bit for his time and equipment, Twitch for theirs, but what happens when Mad-Ani gets 6000 subs? It's kinda the same problem as the Titan escalation problem. Started small, thinking 'Meh, won't ever get too big' but then Eve makes it HUGE.


To claim it was all a scheme to take everyone for what for..... that's kinda extreme.



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CCP has enforced it by telling them to Stop.


Somer has no obligation to not sell while they're still being allowed. They're not extorting people. They've made an offer. People choose to take it or not.


The Player base is taking advantage of it.


How is this Somer's fault that people are taking advantage of an offer?


They're not offering isk. They're offering site credit which anyone who has played Somer knows can be lost just as easily as won.


I don't get how you're blaming Somer for the actions the player base is taking.

I would presume it is like blaming a drug dealer because people use drugs. Drugs are against the rules(laws) the penalty for being a drug dealer in most places is worse than being a drug user.

Why do you suppose that is?

Long story short, CCP need to enforce their own EULA, not half measures, not more special treatment for Somer. Just enforce it.

Actually while there is a relationship between CCP and the re-seller, there is no relationship between CCP and the affiliate. Well there should not be. Affiliates should not have Skype access to CCP Devs.

The resellers had been given 10 days to stop their affiliates or lose their ability to be a CCP reseller.

The fault here lies in believing CCP condoned further breaches of the EULA. It did not, it just told its resellers to shut down the offending sites within 10 days. It has nothing to do with anyone acting with the EULA.

Somer has breached the EULA in multiple ways and CCP needs to do what it has always done and stop showing favoritism.

But you think they should just ignore the EULA though.

Oh and you missed a bit 'There is a relationship between CCP and every organization and player in Eve' and it is controlled by the EULA.

Why are you all so butthurt. What possible damage did this do to the community. I buy plex and you know what it was really nice to get some extra free credit with my PLEX. It did no harm to anyone else it simply made mine and somers pockets a bit fatter.

You all need to step back, realise this is a game and that it wasnt doing nay harm to anyone at all.

In Fall 2012, long before all of the controversy, when Somer was just one of several EVE lottos....

I asked Somer to donate prizes for an EVE writing contest. I wanted about 2-3bil isk total, and wanted Somer to donate maybe 800mil. They gave me 10bil. No conditions attached, no request that I advertise them as sponsors, no request that I put their link on the contest site. No conditions at all, they just liked the idea of the contest. So they made a donation to the writers 10 times bigger than what I was asking for.

Just saying, for the record.

Let it go Lou.

CCP is greedy as hell and this isn't the first instance of it.

Let your wallet do the talking and shatup.