EVE General Discussion

Oh. so now you're switching gears and you think the PLEX system is bad, mmKay. A few posts ago, the PLEX system was a shining example of keeping RMT in check. Now you're raging because someone on the forums supposedly doesn't the connection see between the two. Or you're just attempting to trip me up with your superior debating skills. Or something.

In actuality, that person you're raging about understands that even a good system is subject to failure if the rule of law is ignored. In this case the rule of law would be that pesky old EULA that you're sick of seeing quoted. If the EULA had been applied consistently -- or if CCP had decided to give some sort sort of above-board official status before all this hit the fan -- would we be having this discussion?

You don't understand what people mean by RMT nor what makes RMT bad.

Using real money to buy ISK is not a problem. Nobody cares except a very small contingent of "OMG PAY TO WIN!" diehards.

The PLEX system CCP has is brilliant in that it allows $ -> ISK BUT NOT ISK -> $.

All the evils of RMT/gold farming arise when the ISK -> $ transaction is allowed. RMT is about ISK -> $, which PLEX DOES NOT ALLOW.

RMT leads to people doing anything they possibly can to exploit the game mechanics, account security, and any other method they can conceive of in order to gain ISK that they can then turn into $. They go to depths and extremes that people simply don't bother with when there is no way to get real $ out of the effort. THIS is what causes problems in games when RMT is rampant.

CCP's PLEX system is genius in that it satisfies the demand for $ -> ISK in a way that is under their control and using a system that greatly limits the ability for people to cash out ISK -> $ in the other direction. In no small part because there is an official, sanctioned method to do $ -> ISK. As any government will tell you, you cannot control illegal supply so long as the demand exists and is being unmet, no matter how hard you try. CCP has funneled the demand into a system they control.

That said, there are many arguments as to why the specific nature of Blink's RMT was not particularly bad for the game and did not cause many of the same issues that traditional RMT causes in an MMO game. Regardless, to claim that PLEX is RMT shows that you either don't understand what people mean by RMT or don't understand how PLEX works.

I think a great example of why Somers style of Bonus or any other non Plex "redacted" is bad for EvE

Exactly what Somer is doing right now, they are giving us a wonderful example of why businesses should not be allowed to operate in EvE and why "redacted" must be removed with all the speed and efficiency EvE security has shown in the past.

The other point is where the bloody hell is internal affairs? We have a company getting the nod from members of CCP in violation of the EULA and not a peep from internal affairs.

I mean why do they exist if not for this very reason?

Internal Affairs internalaffairs@ccpgames.com

Just FYI
Edit: Oh one other thing I will point out, when we waited like good little boys and girls for an answer at the start of this after the CSM had told us to calm down, guess what....

They still did not tell us squat

As i have said previously, if I was a business that is exactly what I would do.

If I was a community site I would shut down for fear of further damaging EvE (like the Community sites have done).

Shame being a business or using an account for or income-seeking purposes is a totally different EULA breach and is banable for that by its self.

Well said.

Lot's of People who have no interest in participating in RMT still don't want to believe in some of the last part though. The idea that that plex isn't $ breaks the notion that using plex for their game time is the same as giving CCP $ (Someone gaave CCP $ but those that are going to activate that time paid that guy isk --- it makes them happier to think that they paid $ so.. no harm done.. if it makes them happier )

Down with Somer Blink! Find a different community to milk, capitalist bastards!

[07:50:06] Andren Vox > Sola - Nah, we've no desire to handle people's real money. Some eve players get crazy enough about the pretend money :p

[07:52:10] Andren Vox > Sola - CCP wants the rewards for referrals thing to stop all together. We're not gonna try and game our way around that request :p

[07:54:05] Forlorn Eskimo > its not about earning for blink its about paying for the server its a hobby after all

[07:59:36] Andren Vox > We're not worried about it, honestly. We'll let the banner stay up without the bonus and just see how it goes.



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this guy is such a weasel. the obama administration should hire him as their pr guy, he'd fit right in bet you Somer will have a big 'donate to' button up soon. cause the first $135k wasn't enough and the $500+k they are attempting to firesale now apprently isn't enough either

Well, whatever happens, I imagine that you will still be crazy jealous.

Mr Epeen

You mean you want what is already happening......
The only argument left is over if their actions are violating the spirit of their 10 day grace period they were given to sort themselves out.
Which is exactly the same grace period EVERYONE ELSE GOT! Caps so you don't miss it like the rest of the people flaming away here.
If you feel they have violated said spirit, I suggest E-mailing Internal Affairs as above over that point and asking them to look into it.

Otherwise, your demands have already been answered, they do have to stop breaking the EULA.