EVE General Discussion

IRT the EULA...drugs are illegal where I am from but I still dont get all butthurt when my neighbor across the street sparks a J on his porch. I can't do it (work drug tests) but I don't care...It doesnt affect me.

135K over 2-4 years and then spread over 2-5 employees, a website, bandwidth etc? Yep its hardly worth it for the work and time put in. I made a lot more than that at my job in the same amount of time and I didn't have to put up with all the BS they did. I digress though...how does them making money stop me from blowing people up in Eve? What do I care if the -insert super special elite scorp here- was bought with real money or if the toon I just podded was bought with some dudes cash instead of him grinding for a year for it? It still goes squish just the same. I buy plex off CCP all the time, prolly 2-4 thousand dollars worth a year. Why should I care where or with whom others do the same and who gets their money? This just sound like envious butthurt by people who aren getting paid to me.

IRT the EULA...drugs are illegal where I am from but I still dont get all butthurt when my neighbor across the street sparks a J on his porch. I can't do it (work drug tests) but I don't care...It doesnt affect me.

RPT (Real Popcorn Trading) is against the EULA.

Actually, a RL incentive like popcorn is fine. The EULA does not say that paying RL money for RL goods is bad. Buy GTC through my referral link and I will send you a bag of popcorn as an incentive!

Its somer, its always legit.

Not the best analogy. Here's a better one:

Lets say you own a company and sell crack.

You've done that for a few years. It's illegal of course to buy or sell crack, but the government has given you a free pass because you give them a kickback on all the crack you sell. Meanwhile, individuals selling or buying crack get punished severely.

Then, the government gives your company an award for giving money to some charity. In the ensuing press, your crack business comes to light. People are outraged! Some because they are morally against crack, others because they are furious that they are not allowed to sell crack, but your company is. People begin their own crack businesses, while sending kickbacks to the government. In an effort to maintain order, the government finally decides to actually apply the law equally.

You get notified by the government that you cannot sell crack anymore. You have 10 day to stop selling crack, this is your only warning.


Would you:

1) Throw out your stockpile of crack?

2) Have a crack party where you give it away to whoever wants it?

3) Have a Crack Mass Sale, offloading and cashing in on all the crack you have within the 10 day timespan so that you can comply?

Picking 2 or 3 may make you money, but in doing so you are making it very clear how little you think of the law, the government, or the people you are screwing over. 1 is the right thing to do. Yeah yeah, I know, "doing the right thing in EVE lol." Why is this any different? Because it involves real life cash. If I scam someone out of 10 billion ISK, that's the game. If I scam them out of $600, well that's jail time for me.

Which brings us to this:



You can turn RL cash into ingame money, yes. But you cannot turn ingame money into RL cash. That's what makes it RMT. If everyone was allowed to RMT, then you'd have vets getting hundreds of dollars or more on leaving EVE, which irritates CCP because they want people to pay THEM money, not their customers. Hence rules against RMT.

But then SOMER came up with a clever method that makes money for CCP while doing their RMT, and so they got a blind eye for quite a while. Moreover, CCP spotlighted them as a "community website", bringing in more business. Finally, when CCP finally got around to shutting down the scheme, they gave SOMER a 10 day grace period to avoid having to having to take action against them. How does SOMER repay this? By flaunting the **** out of their operation in a last-dtich effort to make real life money.

Perhaps this is the root of the problem. You, and many others, assumed that whatever Somer was doing, it was legit, and then when the facts proved otherwise, you were outraged.


Many of us who have posted on the various (and seemingly never ending) threads about Somer, assumed from the getgo that a gambling site in Eve Online was a scam.

So, our collective response to you is "Well, no sh!t, Sherlock. This is Eve. What the hell did you think it was?"

That would all make sense absent of a CCP endorsement mate.

Face it mate they F'ed up in doing that full stop.

And I am not arguing otherwise. They did F' this thing up. They took a look at the issue, and changed their policy to fix the F-up. They ended bonuses for GTC. But nope, that isn't good enough. The 10-day implementation period, nope, that ain't right, gotta rage, gotta cry. The Whine and Whine and Whine continues.

Frankly, I would have been surprised if Somer did anything different than what they are doing. So many posts about they are taking advantage, they are spitting in the face of the Eve playerbase, "It's just wrong, what they are doing . . . ", etc. THIS IS EVE. WTF GAME ARE YOU PLAYING?