Intergalactic Summit

We can, it seems, argue about a great deal more than that. I could, equally validly, say that the core of the Federation is a belief in the selfish indulgence of individual whim and appetites and equally claim that you merely have to crack a history book to see how that goes.

If you disagree with Meritocracy, Collectivism and the other true founding principles of the State then say so, but don't proffer ignorance and prejudice in such a manner that we're supposed to believe you're being reasonable.

The bottom line is that if the Federation was no more than a celebration of vice, then it wouldn't have endured as it has and if the State was no more than a celebration of greed then we would never have obtained and kept our independence from it.

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That's funny...wait you were serious about comparing the State's 'greed' to what the Fed has?

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The State is a collection of Corporations, its ideals are largely propaganda much like the Amarrs beliefs could easily be labelled dogmatic faith used to subvert and control. What practical influence do they have on a citizens every day lives? That is what you have to ask. And the answer is as clear as a nova.

In the Federation any one can become President, in what other nation can that be said to be true?

You may claim that in the State if one is able to prove themselves capable they might rise to the lofty position of CEO of a megacorporation, but is it personal merit and patriotism that achieves that? Does everyone have the opportunity to prove themselves in such a fashion? Is the system fair and balanced? Of course it isn't. Who knows how many great leaders the State has discarded unfairly.

The Federation is far from perfect, I will be the first to admit that. But when I was growing up on Gallente Prime, I didn't come to believe in the ideals of the Federation (and later fight for them) because I was indoctrinated to. I did so because I saw them in practice every day, the Federation has something none of the other nations have.

And that is true freedom, freedom to find your true self and be that person. No matter how many corrupt or incompetent leaders come and go, that foundation remains and that freedom remains to the Federations citizens.

Sir,

I'm glad to see a new face. Hello :)

If anyone in the Federation can grow up to be President, why are your Presidents always from the wealthy elite? I'm no Federal history buff, but that seems to be the case.

I think that perhaps your powerful and well-made arguments could be aimed against the Federation by changing very few words, I fear.

I don't know about you, but I probably wouldn't vote for a street-sweeper to lead a nation.

There is however nothing stopping said street-sweeper from running for election. He won't be dismissed based on his wallet or his birthplace or his genetics.

It's the voters who'll decide, as it should be. As all citizens contribute to a nations existence, so to should all have a say in its future.

Ah, the old "we're better because everybody can vote" argument.

In the spirit of friendly international relations, I should point out that waving around a democratic institution which we largely consider to be stupid and naive is unlikely to impress us of the superiority of your government.

We don't value democracy. Which means that you cannot use democracy to impress us. okay? You may as well attempt to convince a vegan that you're having the better breakfast because their grapefruit is clearly inferior to your bacon and eggs.

"Oh good grief. Tell me you're one of Blacque's men amusing himself on a slack day at the office?"

I can't comment on that.

I just want to be clear that I'm not passing judgement upon anyone, in fact I respect you Tuulinen. If not as a citizen, at least as a fellow soldier.

By the way, I didn't sign up to fight against the State, so you can tone down on that particular line of hyperbole. The Federations concerns are rather more diverse than a few misguided megacorps on our border, as troublesome as they may be of late.

I continue to foster the hope that one day our respective nations can and will set aside our differences, our ideals may not be wholly compatible but in the interests of our respective citizenry we should strive to achieve peaceful coexistence.

The recent bloodshed, especially upon Caldari Prime, has proven itself unjustified. Blood for memories, death for political gain. Does that seem right to you?

Aaaaaand vice versa.

In theory anyone could become President. In practice is another story however.

Both the State and the Federation have systems that *should* gaurantee equality. Though anyone with eyes can see that niether nation has suceeded.

Total equality is impossible, people will always have advantages and disadvantages. This imperfection is perhaps, what makes us truly human. We are not drones.

See, the mistake you're making is in looking at the fact that only CEOs rule instead of looking at what has to happen for someone to become a CEO. It is entirely possible for a family to ascend to the heavens of the Executive boardroom from a history of Janitorial service and just as possible for a family to make the journey in the opposite direction.