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A Double Standard? (True Slave Foundations)
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Iwan Terpalen
Doomheim
#101 - 2013-11-01 11:08:20 UTC
So the most useful thing I learned about the Summit in the past month or so is that if you don't like it, you can leave, or at the very least switch its notifications off and banish it to a dusty corner of your channel lists.
Solarienne
Hrimdraugar
#102 - 2013-11-01 11:11:15 UTC
Iwan Terpalen wrote:
So the most useful thing I learned about the Summit in the past month or so is that if you don't like it, you can leave, or at the very least switch its notifications off and banish it to a dusty corner of your channel lists.


Your escape from the True Slave Foundations recruitment pen has been noted and will be filed for future actioning with extreme prejudice.

PY-RE Combat Pilot
Iwan Terpalen
Doomheim
#103 - 2013-11-01 11:54:53 UTC
Meanwhile I shall shun and snub you to the best of my limited abilities. Surely all the bads will go away if I do it vigorously enough.
Andrea Okazon
Laurentson INC
#104 - 2013-11-01 13:06:32 UTC
I'm not sure OP understands "neutral" as well as she thinks she does. The Summit is a fire-break against losing what little restraint we have left; it can't function if some factions -- however tiresome -- are excluded a priori.
Ollie Rundle
#105 - 2013-11-01 14:03:23 UTC
If anything of any importance occurred in the Summit, the OP might have a tenuously drawn point.

But seeking to find outrage in the fact that a Nation loyalist is involved in moderating what is, for the most part, as banal as listening to the puerile chatter of pre-pubescent girls at a grade school sleepover seems to be taking it all a little too seriously.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#106 - 2013-11-01 14:09:11 UTC
Ollie Rundle wrote:
If anything of any importance occurred in the Summit, the OP might have a tenuously drawn point.

But seeking to find outrage in the fact that a Nation loyalist is involved in moderating what is, for the most part, as banal as listening to the puerile chatter of pre-pubescent girls at a grade school sleepover seems to be taking it all a little too seriously.


Fortunately for the capsuleer community, no one takes Isis seriously.

Sabik now, Sabik forever
Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#107 - 2013-11-01 14:26:12 UTC
I frequently get into very long and drawn out disagreements with members of the TS-F. And other groups but that is not the point.

The point is I have never once been banned or threatened with moderation for a disagreement. I have in other personally owned channels and there is a very large air-gap between how it feels to be muted or banned for talking out against someone and being reminded of the rules or that the topic at hand is distasteful. The moderators of the Summit do a very good job of allowing many different voices to be heard. Examples include many pirate factions, slavers, freedom-fighters, racists, humanitarians, those who advocate peace and those who advocate war. Null-bears, care-bears and all the people in between. Members of people who are at outright total warfare against each other.

The Summit is the one place that an actual exchange of opinion can happen outside of deep space and auto cannons.

I have been vocal and opinionated about many things, I have started more arguments and disagreements than I have ended. Most of the members of the Summit have either me personally red or at the least my Alliance. I am there every single day arguing and making enemies more often than not with one or more of the moderators. I assure you, they are performing exactly to standard. The moderators of the Summit as well as it creator(s) have accomplished something that even CONCORD could not and should be praised for the work they put into it.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#108 - 2013-11-01 14:30:03 UTC
Ayallah wrote:
I frequently get into very long and drawn out disagreements with members of the TS-F. And other groups but that is not the point.

The point is I have never once been banned or threatened with moderation for a disagreement. I have in other personally owned channels and there is a very large air-gap between how it feels to be muted or banned for talking out against someone and being reminded of the rules or that the topic at hand is distasteful. The moderators of the Summit do a very good job of allowing many different voices to be heard. Examples include many pirate factions, slavers, freedom-fighters, racists, humanitarians, those who advocate peace and those who advocate war. Null-bears, care-bears and all the people in between. Members of people who are at outright total warfare against each other.

The Summit is the one place that an actual exchange of opinion can happen outside of deep space and auto cannons.

I have been vocal and opinionated about many things, I have started more arguments and disagreements than I have ended. Most of the members of the Summit have either me personally red or at the least my Alliance. I am there every single day arguing and making enemies more often than not with one or more of the moderators. I assure you, they are performing exactly to standard. The moderators of the Summit as well as it creator(s) have accomplished something that even CONCORD could not and should be praised for the work they put into it.



Cease being reasonable this instant.

Sabik now, Sabik forever
Sid Afraldir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#109 - 2013-11-01 14:40:53 UTC
I should apply to be a summit moderator, this looks like fun!
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#110 - 2013-11-01 17:28:25 UTC
Actually, the situation can be changed by introduction of a couple of easy rules:

- Advertisement or justification of democracy is prohibited.
- Advertisement or justification of freedom is prohibited.
- Talking about fighting for freedom is prohibited.
- All displays of hedonism is prohibited.
- Insulting of Empress and ex-Executor are prohibited.
- Offence against any religion or sect is prohibited.
- Egalitarian talks (speaking as all peoples are equal) are prohibited.
- Translation of any gallentean holoreel, video or music is prohibited.
- Any promotion of personal liberties or individualism is prohibited.

With these simple rules, this channel could become a nice place to speak. Otherwise, it is more like a source of finding hostile elements, pro-gallentean filth and traitors, whom you would like to destroy on contact instead of participating in peaceful and fruitful conversations with them.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Edaine Numenor
Numenor Benevolent Holdings
#111 - 2013-11-01 17:39:52 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
- Any promotion of personal liberties or individualism is prohibited.



Irony anyone?

Liberating slaves wherever, whenever, and however I can.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#112 - 2013-11-01 17:53:08 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Actually, the situation can be changed by introduction of a couple of easy rules:

- Advertisement or justification of democracy is prohibited.
- Advertisement or justification of freedom is prohibited.
- Talking about fighting for freedom is prohibited.
- All displays of hedonism is prohibited.
- Insulting of Empress and ex-Executor are prohibited.
- Offence against any religion or sect is prohibited.
- Egalitarian talks (speaking as all peoples are equal) are prohibited.
- Translation of any gallentean holoreel, video or music is prohibited.
- Any promotion of personal liberties or individualism is prohibited.

With these simple rules, this channel could become a nice place to speak. Otherwise, it is more like a source of finding hostile elements, pro-gallentean filth and traitors, whom you would like to destroy on contact instead of participating in peaceful and fruitful conversations with them.


I use the Summit as a first point of contact for unaligned groups in Diplomacy. Your rules would remove not only all the opposition capsuleers from the Summit but half the allied ones.

Why don't you hang out in the Heiian College if you want something a little more Caldari?

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#113 - 2013-11-01 17:54:48 UTC
Is not Kim the one constantly waving around a vibrator on live-feed?

A gallente vibrator, I might add?

Sabik now, Sabik forever
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#114 - 2013-11-01 18:05:30 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Is not Kim the one constantly waving around a vibrator on live-feed?

A gallente vibrator, I might add?


Indeed. Although there is some question as to her awareness of this.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#115 - 2013-11-01 18:06:48 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Is not Kim the one constantly waving around a vibrator on live-feed?

A gallente vibrator, I might add?


Indeed. Although there is some question as to her awareness of this.



I suspect much merriment to be had by us if.... Gallente docking rights were granted in that particular Caldari station

Sabik now, Sabik forever
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#116 - 2013-11-01 18:52:29 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Is not Kim the one constantly waving around a vibrator on live-feed?

A gallente vibrator, I might add?


Indeed. Although there is some question as to her awareness of this.



I suspect much merriment to be had by us if.... Gallente docking rights were granted in that particular Caldari station



I suspect that this is a border that will remain closed indefinitely.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Andrea Okazon
Laurentson INC
#117 - 2013-11-01 19:29:50 UTC
Quote:
- Offence against any religion or sect is prohibited.
- Egalitarian talks (speaking as all peoples are equal) are prohibited.


I loved how these were right next to eachother.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#118 - 2013-11-02 01:57:16 UTC
I think it's less a double standard and more the fact that the members of the Kuvakei Fan Club known as True Slaves Foundations by and large actually have a modicum of intelligence to hold a discussion with, even if it's a given that they support Sansha's Nation and all that entails. This is in stark contrast to other Fan Club members, such as that of Tibus Heth who by and large appear to carry themselves with the social graces of pod-induced autism combined with the intelligence of a microwaved eggplant.

In the end it always costs nothing to be polite when you must kill a man. Then again, such a concept requires a degree of subtlety to adhere to which is probably why it so difficult to grasp for those in the Summit who are about as subtle as a brick to the genitals in their thoughts and actions.

Kurilaivonen|Concern
Erys Charantes
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#119 - 2013-11-02 02:29:19 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
I think it's less a double standard and more the fact that the members of the Kuvakei Fan Club known as True Slaves Foundations by and large actually have a modicum of intelligence to hold a discussion with, even if it's a given that they support Sansha's Nation and all that entails. This is in stark contrast to other Fan Club members, such as that of Tibus Heth who by and large appear to carry themselves with the social graces of pod-induced autism combined with the intelligence of a microwaved eggplant.

In the end it always costs nothing to be polite when you must kill a man. Then again, such a concept requires a degree of subtlety to adhere to which is probably why it so difficult to grasp for those in the Summit who are about as subtle as a brick to the genitals in their thoughts and actions.


I hear the ring of truth in these words.
Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#120 - 2013-11-02 02:38:25 UTC
"Hey, he may **** children for breakfast, but he's such an awesome guy to have a drink with and does such an effective job of moderating some FTL channel, it doesn't matter!"

I fail to see how that exaggerated example is any different than what the OP has said. Capsuleers have always held getting along with everyone in higher regard than actually sticking to our moral principles. I see absolutely no reason why I should tolerate the presence of a Sansha loyalist in person just because he's intelligent or suave. Many notorious rapists and serial killers are both of these.

All that being said, there are better fights out there.