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A Double Standard? (True Slave Foundations)

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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#221 - 2013-11-06 05:12:46 UTC
Personally I don't frequent the Summit often because while there are many capsuleers I would have no compunction hypothetically driving a blade into their kidney and twisting the knife before I wrap their cooling corpse in a heavy rug and throw over a bridge I realize that they're still capsuleers and unfortunately as a whole the entire situation is like being forced to live with a particularly annoying venereal disease that just never quite goes away. Once it's learned you'll probably never really get used to curing that rash you find ways to harden the **** up and deal with the situation.

Not really sure what all this complaining really accomplishes, because the majority of eggers are still going to be as terrible as a Poitot crotch waffle to deal with.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#222 - 2013-11-06 05:16:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Isis Dea
Scherezad wrote:
Ms. Dea, if I may;

This is twice now in the same conversation that you have made claim about a group of people holding some opinion or belief, and then when asked to supply names, you have then changed the subject. I don't mean to cast doubt on your position, but it does raise questions. Perhaps this is something best addressed now, before continuing?


Isis Dea wrote:


2. This topic is full of the same names, all equally hating of what I call you out on. Yet within the actual channel it is a near constant that there are multiple people (typically lesser known or newer names) who find I'm fair in my statements and very enlightening.

Heck, go ask the Sansha moderator himself how many people came to my defense the moment he threatened moderation.

Here's your problem: You don't like me. As Saber put, your little "club" doesn't like me either. Characters who've been empowered too long within a channel that considers itself the official hub of all New Eden capsuleer interaction.

I remind them that you really are so little in the grander spectrum and that anyone can oppose you, even where you (and all of your little clubbers here) would bully someone around.


Isis Dea wrote:

And why would I paint you a string of names you can additionally bully?

Or even ban?

No, you can reap me and only me (I'd prefer). Truth should never carry such a price.


See prior posts. I'm not about to put people on the spot because you want to have a witch hunt.

No. You deal with me.

More Character Customization :: Especially compared to what we had in 2003...

Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#223 - 2013-11-06 05:27:03 UTC
Isis Dea wrote:
Silas Vitalia wrote:

This thread is not the Summit. I don't have to follow Summit rules on the IGS.


Provide an example from The Summit where my moderator actions were the result of a personal agenda and not due to violation of Summit policies. This is important as I am a moderator and pride myself on an essentially sterling record of rare and justified moderation in that channel.

Find just one example.


Did I specifically say you demonstrated such traits within The Summit? No. I've been referring to you being you in general. While I hope that's something you continue to not show within your power as a moderator, even Saber pointed out you hinted use of your power for personal opinion here.

Common sense considered, I think its safe to assume it's only a matter of time.


Despite being a moderator for some time, Silas has not, to my knowledge, ever let her ego get in the way of her judgment on the Summit. Given the great dislike certain parties have of her, I suspect that if she'd abused the position in any way, the complaints would be loud and clear. She's not popular enough to have slip ups forgiven.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#224 - 2013-11-06 05:33:39 UTC
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
Isis Dea wrote:
Silas Vitalia wrote:

This thread is not the Summit. I don't have to follow Summit rules on the IGS.


Provide an example from The Summit where my moderator actions were the result of a personal agenda and not due to violation of Summit policies. This is important as I am a moderator and pride myself on an essentially sterling record of rare and justified moderation in that channel.

Find just one example.


Did I specifically say you demonstrated such traits within The Summit? No. I've been referring to you being you in general. While I hope that's something you continue to not show within your power as a moderator, even Saber pointed out you hinted use of your power for personal opinion here.

Common sense considered, I think its safe to assume it's only a matter of time.


Despite being a moderator for some time, Silas has not, to my knowledge, ever let her ego get in the way of her judgment on the Summit. Given the great dislike certain parties have of her, I suspect that if she'd abused the position in any way, the complaints would be loud and clear. She's not popular enough to have slip ups forgiven.



I'll take your word for it then. I only hope people are allowed to act truly within their own ways around her, as the Sani Sabik faith she carries is very different that the traditional Sani Sabik ways.

Just like with Sansha. If I or anyone else attacks her because of her faith being completely outlawed within their own society, I would hope she is capable of letting it roll off her and not take it personally?

More Character Customization :: Especially compared to what we had in 2003...

Karmilla Strife
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#225 - 2013-11-06 05:34:08 UTC
Can I be part of this summit club? I really need friends.
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#226 - 2013-11-06 05:48:29 UTC
I have no interest in hunting anyone, ma'am. It is more about the credibility of the claims that you are making. I think that's where you're losing some traction in your arguments.
Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#227 - 2013-11-06 07:28:25 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
I have no interest in hunting anyone, ma'am. It is more about the credibility of the claims that you are making. I think that's where you're losing some traction in your arguments.


You might not. Others here have another story. There's a reason most people use a friend or a false face to make a statement these days, for if your opponent can deface you or even rip your credit apart any weight to your argument has been lost.

I'm not about to put what few friends I can call my own to that. I'm sorry.

If I'm to suffer discredit for this, so be it. Dismiss my words as an opinion alone and be on your way.

More Character Customization :: Especially compared to what we had in 2003...

Lasairiona Raske
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#228 - 2013-11-06 10:49:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Lasairiona Raske
Here's an idea. Don't like The Summit? Don't like the people that run it? Don't use it! I don't get why this has become almost 12/13 pages of bashing The Summit moderators.....


Oh wait, that would make sense

Are you a devil or an angel

Sent here from heaven or from hell?

Sweet temptress, I'm wrapped in your tangles

Can't find my way out of your spell

Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#229 - 2013-11-06 13:26:36 UTC
Lasairiona Raske wrote:
Here's an idea. Don't like The Summit? Don't like the people that run it? Don't use it! I don't get why this has become almost 12/13 pages of bashing The Summit moderators.....


Oh wait, that would make sense


To be fair, given the level of general hostility on the IGS, I'm surprised the moderation team doesn't catch more flack. Nothing puts them above and beyond reproach. In the same way that Isis is absolutely free to question the TSF and to be questioned in return, there is nothing that says she cannot find the moderation team repugnant and hypocritical for their relationship with capsuleers of questionable morality. I don't think disliking the moderators is the same as disliking the IGS. I may not agree with Isis, but considering how many people here are continually blamed for actions that their own grandparents sometimes weren't even alive to condone, I don't see why the mods should somehow be on an untouchable pedestal. We all have to answer for the crimes of our fellows, apparently. The TSF is too horribly tainted to have a member of theirs on the moderation team without extreme scrutiny.

I really don't think Isis should be told to leave simply because she's brought up a valid point about the management here. If we told everyone to leave that judges people to be guilty by association, the IGS would end up largely being myself and Sherezad discussing the commendable range and control of operatic tenor Gui Signon.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Lasairiona Raske
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#230 - 2013-11-06 13:36:59 UTC
.....The moderation team of The Summit do not run the IGS....

Are you a devil or an angel

Sent here from heaven or from hell?

Sweet temptress, I'm wrapped in your tangles

Can't find my way out of your spell

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#231 - 2013-11-06 13:50:40 UTC
Really not the nit you should be picking, is it? Then again, I guess it's hard to refute or argue the bits that makes sense.

It is a rather futile effort nonetheless, as the echo chamber faithfully reject and ignore criticism while perpetually reinforcing the notion that "there is no club and if there were it couldn't possibly do any wrong." So much easier to focus on the crackpots and dismiss their concerns, sweeping legitimate ones away without acknowledging their existence.

Almost have to admire the tenacity of the crackpot, though. Others I know who've tried to voice their concerns rarely have the patience to last under the weight of the cult.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#232 - 2013-11-06 14:12:04 UTC
Lasairiona Raske wrote:
.....The moderation team of The Summit do not run the IGS....


I'm aware of that, but we are arguing about them on the IGS specifically. I can't speak to the Summit channel considering I've been fairly busy planetside and haven't been there in a few days. Also, I keep somewhat irregular hours, given my occupation, so I can't recall ever seeing Isis there even when I've been in my capsule.

None of which really changes the content of the post. Given all the hostility here on the IGS, there's no reason the moderation team wouldn't come up and be subject to precisely the same treatment we all receive.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Darian en Chasteaux
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#233 - 2013-11-06 23:16:44 UTC
Greetings Peace-Luvvas...or...

There seems to be a 'storm' a brewin here...an the 'crows' are comin home to nest...

Black as it all seems to be on the outside...I beg to differ on thngs of the 'inside'...that is just me...all I see is political musing even to effect and grow one's ego...I am glad I can tolerate half as much to at least understand the goins on of oppressive and negativistic societies...it seems to be rampant in New Eden.

What ever happened to the old codes and the ring of solitude? It must exist somewhere...I am sure it doesnt matter; it is just a pipe dream for me...I am a bystander lookin for a job...anyone got one?

Darian, Space Cowboi Extrordinairee.... CoolPirate
Iwan Terpalen
Doomheim
#234 - 2013-11-06 23:35:33 UTC
A storm's just a lotta wind, son.
Ninavask
The Synenose Accord
#235 - 2013-11-13 14:16:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Ninavask
Peetty sure if you want loyalist bashing you should have been there around a year ago. Plenty of that.l, it just got old and boring to most. Considering Tibbles there is an expert at out talking....

Late to the party and such...

Dr. Ninavask Revan

Colonist

Alexylva Paradox

The views above are the opinions and beliefs of Dr. Ninavask and do in no way reflect on his employeers or associates at the time of posting.