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A Double Standard? (True Slave Foundations)

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Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#201 - 2013-11-06 02:44:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Isis Dea
Then perhaps one final question and this one's probably the bread and butter of the entire topic: am I going to be banned for being me?

Judging by the number of people claiming to know what it is I am and are doing, I would like to say you already know me.

However as I look in the mirror I find myself fulfilling a role I honestly think no one prior to me has fulfilled, especially when it comes to the realm of radical Matari.

You say you envision a melting pot, but how well does a melting pot accommodate a girl who really doesn't know her place and refuses to settle? Who dares to even look the Cardinal in the eye and claim he's still a man and only that? Who dares to hold each capsuleer to a standard, even if it is a evil one? Who shines a warped silver light into what we find as taboo within society, not just the slave trade but the pleasure field within it, and those who find their escape there? The Matari who represents the disunity, believes in the violence, doesn't fear death but doesn't seem to know life either, who prides herself in the barbaric nature that many Amarrians would "rightfully" claim of her race?

A bold little vagabond amongst the stars, dabbling with the forbidden, shivering within the cold but finding home there, amongst the gnawing and mashing of metallic teeth... playing pirate because the immortal crowd sickens her but too many have invested within her to ever truly give up.

Is there room for her here?

Or for the sake of the stars does the little black hole need to find somewhere else?

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Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#202 - 2013-11-06 02:57:58 UTC
Isis Dea wrote:
Then perhaps one final question and this one's probably the bread and butter of the entire topic: am I going to be banned for being me?


If you mean for this thread? No.

If you have more specific questions on things that you tend to do in The Summit, I'd be happy to answer them in private. I can say that so far, watching you in The Summit, you haven't done anything particularly over the top. You're strange by some standards, and you're a bit irritating by others, but you've stayed within the rules so to speak.

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Judging by the number of people claiming to know what it is I am and are doing, I would like to say you already know me.

However as I look in the mirror I find myself fulfilling a role I honestly think no one prior to me has fulfilled, especially when it comes to the realm of radical Matari.


I don't pretend to know you, so I can't comment on that. Like I said, if you want to provide more specific examples of things you wonder would be moderated, you can ask me in private when we next see each other there.

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You say you envision a melting pot, but how well does a melting pot accommodate a girl who really doesn't know her place and refuses to settle? Who dares to even look the Cardinal in the eye and claim he's still a man and only that? Who dares to hold each capsuleer to a standard, even if it is a evil one? Who shines a warped silver light into what we find as taboo within society, not just the slave trade but the pleasure field within it, and those who find their escape there? The Matari who represents the disunity, believes in the violence, doesn't fear death but doesn't seem to know life either, who prides herself in the barbaric nature that many Amarrians would "rightfully" claim of her race?

A bold little vagabond amongst the stars, dabbling with the forbidden, shivering within the cold but finding home there, amongst the gnawing and mashing of metallic teeth... playing pirate because the immortal crowd sickens her but too many have invested within her to ever truly give up.

Is there room for her here?

Or for the sake of the stars does the little black hole need to find somewhere else?


I can't answer many of those questions for you. We've never really gotten to know each other, or spoken much beyond passing chatter.

I can say though that you've already been all of that so far - and we haven't tried or intended to get rid of you. Where you decide you want to go is up to you, but so far we haven't found reason to make that choice for you.

Despite how angry you've made some of us, you're still welcome in The Summit.

Katrina Oniseki

Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#203 - 2013-11-06 03:08:00 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Isis Dea wrote:
I also find her ego getting in the way of judgement far more than it should.


Provide specific examples my moderator actions that are the result of this, or is this more your opinion than fact?


Sabik now, Sabik forever

Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#204 - 2013-11-06 03:10:53 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Isis Dea wrote:
I also find her ego getting in the way of judgement far more than it should.


Provide specific examples my moderator actions that are the result of this, or is this more your opinion than fact?




As demonstrated within this thread, easily. Even Saber pointed out where you crossed a line.

Nonetheless, I would like to stay. And of course to be a thorn in people's side as usual.

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Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#205 - 2013-11-06 03:18:01 UTC
Isis Dea wrote:
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Isis Dea wrote:
I also find her ego getting in the way of judgement far more than it should.


Provide specific examples my moderator actions that are the result of this, or is this more your opinion than fact?




As demonstrated within this thread, easily. Even Saber pointed out where you crossed a line.

Nonetheless, I would like to stay. And of course to be a thorn in people's side as usual.



This thread is not the Summit. I don't have to follow Summit rules on the IGS.


Provide an example from The Summit where my moderator actions were the result of a personal agenda and not due to violation of Summit policies. This is important as I am a moderator and pride myself on an essentially sterling record of rare and justified moderation in that channel.

Find just one example.

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#206 - 2013-11-06 03:23:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Isis Dea
Silas Vitalia wrote:

This thread is not the Summit. I don't have to follow Summit rules on the IGS.


Provide an example from The Summit where my moderator actions were the result of a personal agenda and not due to violation of Summit policies. This is important as I am a moderator and pride myself on an essentially sterling record of rare and justified moderation in that channel.

Find just one example.


Did I specifically say you demonstrated such traits within The Summit? No. I've been referring to you being you in general. While I hope that's something you continue to not show within your power as a moderator, even Saber pointed out you hinted use of your power for personal opinion here.

Common sense considered, I think its safe to assume it's only a matter of time.

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Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#207 - 2013-11-06 03:38:36 UTC
Isis Dea wrote:
Silas Vitalia wrote:

This thread is not the Summit. I don't have to follow Summit rules on the IGS.


Provide an example from The Summit where my moderator actions were the result of a personal agenda and not due to violation of Summit policies. This is important as I am a moderator and pride myself on an essentially sterling record of rare and justified moderation in that channel.

Find just one example.


Did I specifically say you demonstrated such traits within The Summit? No. I've been referring to you being you in general. While I hope that's something you continue to not show within your power as a moderator, even Saber pointed out you hinted use of your power for personal opinion here.

Common sense considered, I think its safe to assume it's only a matter of time.



So you admit you have no evidence of moderator actions by myself being unjustified, and are basing your horrible opinion of my moderation on possible future actions?

You stay classy.



Sabik now, Sabik forever

Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#208 - 2013-11-06 04:08:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Isis Dea
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Isis Dea wrote:
Silas Vitalia wrote:

This thread is not the Summit. I don't have to follow Summit rules on the IGS.


Provide an example from The Summit where my moderator actions were the result of a personal agenda and not due to violation of Summit policies. This is important as I am a moderator and pride myself on an essentially sterling record of rare and justified moderation in that channel.

Find just one example.


Did I specifically say you demonstrated such traits within The Summit? No. I've been referring to you being you in general. While I hope that's something you continue to not show within your power as a moderator, even Saber pointed out you hinted use of your power for personal opinion here.

Common sense considered, I think its safe to assume it's only a matter of time.



So you admit you have no evidence of moderator actions by myself being unjustified, and are basing your horrible opinion of my moderation on possible future actions?

You stay classy.



Horrible to you. I've taken you for your implied word, Miss Vitalia. Someone would be stupid not to.

The fact you're this sore over this could easily be another example.

Instead of fighting to get me to say something for you, how about just simply and originally saying, "Thank you for your opinion, Isis. I don't agree with it but you're welcome to it."

I think that would you properly telling me and anyone else monitoring this topic that you really don't let your personal opinion get in the way.


That would be a neutral response.



A moderator response.

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Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#209 - 2013-11-06 04:18:45 UTC
Isis Dea wrote:
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Isis Dea wrote:
Silas Vitalia wrote:

This thread is not the Summit. I don't have to follow Summit rules on the IGS.


Provide an example from The Summit where my moderator actions were the result of a personal agenda and not due to violation of Summit policies. This is important as I am a moderator and pride myself on an essentially sterling record of rare and justified moderation in that channel.

Find just one example.


Did I specifically say you demonstrated such traits within The Summit? No. I've been referring to you being you in general. While I hope that's something you continue to not show within your power as a moderator, even Saber pointed out you hinted use of your power for personal opinion here.

Common sense considered, I think its safe to assume it's only a matter of time.



So you admit you have no evidence of moderator actions by myself being unjustified, and are basing your horrible opinion of my moderation on possible future actions?

You stay classy.



Horrible to you. I've taken you for your implied word, Miss Vitalia. Someone would be stupid not to.

The fact you're this sore over this could easily be another example.

Instead of fighting to get me to say something for you, how about just simply and originally saying, "Thank you for your opinion, Isis. I don't agree with it but you're welcome to it."

I think that would you properly telling me and anyone else monitoring this topic that you really don't let your personal opinion get in the way.


That would be a neutral response.



A moderator response.


Actually I'm quite free to shower you with derision as much as I like outside of that one particular channel.

It's a thing called work ethic that one is able to put aside such emotions under different circumstances.


And this notion that often gets repeated that my responding to a few forum threads is somehow a great victory against me and a demonstration of my soreness is just a bit pathetic.

If only there was a way you could effect me in some other, tangible way?




Sabik now, Sabik forever

Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#210 - 2013-11-06 04:30:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Ava Starfire
Whoops. 2.

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"

Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#211 - 2013-11-06 04:32:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Ava Starfire
Isis Dea wrote:
radical Matari.


You're in the Caldari Militia.

Just wanted to toss that out there.

PS. I shot at the Gallente, in their space.

I'm not sure what you're hoping for me to do, to prove I am "Matari" enough, but if this didnt do it, I think your expectations may be the issue, not my resolve or commitment.

Ps. You're still in the Caldari Militia. What.

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"

Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#212 - 2013-11-06 04:41:59 UTC
Saber1 wrote:
Jinari Otsito wrote:
Oh good grief. Again, not an official channel. CONCORD, DED or whoever else has about as much say in it as I do.
You're at this point pretty much the Diana Kim of this problem, making any legitimate issue look as stupid as yours.


I think the channel tries to be, and that's what she aims to bring to light.
Can it be considered her personally attacking the channel? Sure. Is there good reasoning behind it? I happen to believe so. I've personally gotten tired of watching this little club use the channel to have their little dramas made manifested. (Not looking at you, Ava.)



What?

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"

Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#213 - 2013-11-06 04:43:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Isis Dea
Silas Vitalia wrote:

If only there was a way you could effect me in some other, tangible way?


I'm actually at a loss of words now. What is it again you're looking for from me?



And Ava you'd be surprised to know only you've called me an idiot and it was ironically after I called you out in not knowing or caring to learn the other views present within Minmatar society.

You were and have been hell-bent on adopting peaceful resolutions and any use of violence implies we're senseless killers and as you'd put it... idiots.

I don't want to say how many Matari pilots, especially ex-UK ones, laughed at you that day.


P.S. Please don't tell me you're going to use that terrible show of force on the border as your excuse to being Minmatar... the moment you started advocating peaceful resolutions was the day so many of us lost faith in you.

Mind you, that was some time ago. Things do change.

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Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#214 - 2013-11-06 04:45:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Ava Starfire
Isis Dea wrote:
Silas Vitalia wrote:

If only there was a way you could effect me in some other, tangible way?


I'm actually at a loss of words now. What is it again you're looking for from me?



And Ava you'd be surprised to know only you've called me an idiot and it was ironically after I called you out in not knowing or caring to learn the other views present within Minmatar society.

You were and have been hell-bent on adopting peaceful resolutions and any use of violence implies we're senseless killers and as you'd put it... idiots.

I don't want to say how many Matari pilots, especially ex-UK ones, laughed at you that day.


On second thought, no. I'll not go for the cheap pop, and actually respond.

I am well aware of the other views present in Matari society. I even share some of them. I however, have chosen a standpoint which I believe is best for our people, in the long run. We cannot eat revenge. My desire for peace is because I believe it is less harmful to US, not because I particularly want the Empire to continue to exist, or believe that it should not pay for its crimes.

I am sorry you dont like me, I guess? I'm sorry you think I am somehow not fit to be a moderator because I dont have a good enough grasp on views outside my own. Huh. Well, you dont have a very good grasp of mine. I'd say that makes you equally unfit to comment on mine.

We can go in circles forever, cant we?

Also, oddly, no one, from U'k, from any other organization, has ever laughed when I could see or hear it. If you could name names ( you cant, since these people do not exist, in all probability) that would be great, but it doesnt matter.

My achievements, my actions, and yes, my flaws, are all well know. If people laugh at me, they do so in private, where they need not worry about arousing my ire.

We all seem to be laughing at you, however, in the open.

PS. You're still flying for the Caldari State. Very Matari, indeed.

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#215 - 2013-11-06 04:46:43 UTC
I demand an immediate investigation into this supposed super-awesome Summit club, and the reasons why I was not invited. Do you people not understand how important the validation of others is to me? How hurtful it is not to be invited to these real or imagined space parties?

You're all so damn mean.

Especially all you moderators. Probably colluding towards some sort of New Order to oppress us all.

Down with it all!

Am I doing this right, here?

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#216 - 2013-11-06 04:52:57 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
I demand an immediate investigation into this supposed super-awesome Summit club, and the reasons why I was not invited. Do you people not understand how important the validation of others is to me? How hurtful it is not to be invited to these real or imagined space parties?

You're all so damn mean.

Especially all you moderators. Probably colluding towards some sort of New Order to oppress us all.

Down with it all!

Am I doing this right, here?


+1

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"

Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#217 - 2013-11-06 04:54:54 UTC
Ava Starfire wrote:

You are an idiot.

And now, you're lashing out because you're upset that people called you one.

Also, you should probably name the people in U'K who supposedly said/did this. I'll wait.


It's almost like you really didn't read anything in this thread.

It's been a long time since you called me an idiot, Ava, at least to my face. Part of me was really hoping it would just be the mutual understanding of two different shades of Matari that put difference between us now. I guess I was wrong.

If that's the case then consider the feeling mutual. I consider you an idiot as well. Happy?

Is this considered a personal attack of a moderator? Am I going to be banned now?

Since apparently Miss Starfire didn't really read a single thing to what this topic was really about.

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Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#218 - 2013-11-06 05:00:18 UTC
Isis Dea wrote:
Ava Starfire wrote:

You are an idiot.

And now, you're lashing out because you're upset that people called you one.

Also, you should probably name the people in U'K who supposedly said/did this. I'll wait.


It's almost like you really didn't read anything in this thread.

It's been a long time since you called me an idiot, Ava, at least to my face. Part of me was really hoping it would just be the mutual understanding of two different shades of Matari that put difference between us now. I guess I was wrong.

If that's the case then consider the feeling mutual. I consider you an idiot as well. Happy?

Is this considered a personal attack of a moderator? Am I going to be banned now?

Since apparently Miss Starfire didn't really read a single thing to what this topic was really about.


Youre an idiot.

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"

Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#219 - 2013-11-06 05:09:58 UTC
Ms. Dea, if I may;

This is twice now in the same conversation that you have made claim about a group of people holding some opinion or belief, and then when asked to supply names, you have then changed the subject. I don't mean to cast doubt on your position, but it does raise questions. Perhaps this is something best addressed now, before continuing?
Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#220 - 2013-11-06 05:11:52 UTC
Ava Starfire wrote:

Youre an idiot.


And you've not changed a bit, it seems. Still the limited minded hippie you were then too.

Would it help if I joined you in calling myself an idiot?

Seriously? After all, I actually was one to expect better of you.

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