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Dr Cedric
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-11-03 00:02:48 UTC
So, with the new Tier 3 BC designs coming out, it got me thinking:

Why not make oversized weapons for Assault Frigs? It seems like a viable option now with the introduction of oversized for BC's.

And we can fill the 4th bonus on the AF line-up with an appropriate medium sized weapon bonus.

Ex
10% reduced explosion radius or 10% increased expl. velocity for heavy missiles/Heavy assault Missles on the hawk

10% increased tracking speed or some such for the harpy

Same for the other races, maybe letting the enyo have the web bonus...maybe let the ishkur launch 3 heavy drones?

Or maybe give the AF's a weak E-war bonus?

Just some thoughts coming out, any other ideas?

Ced

Cedric
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#2 - 2011-11-03 00:09:49 UTC
Oversized weapons crossed my mind as well. It's a niche that hasn't been filled and makes sense. Of course never bet on CCP making sense! The next question would be, "Are HACS obsoleted by such a change?" The wolf with two damage bonuses, a falloff bonus, and a rate of fire bonus would do more damage with 4 medium guns then the vaga with 5.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#3 - 2011-11-03 00:57:18 UTC
Wow, if only there were a class of frigs with oversized weapons ...

Seriously though, not what we need (though my Ishkur LOVES the thought of a full set of T2 Hammerheads P). This would make AFs in general majorly OPed (though it'd still be some of them being epic and some being crappy).
Nimrod Nemesis
Doomheim
#4 - 2011-11-03 01:21:52 UTC
AF Role: RvB
Salo Aldeland
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2011-11-03 01:43:24 UTC
Put 'em on Tier 2 destroyers instead.
Thaddaus Dieneces
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-11-03 02:10:03 UTC
Yea I think so too, make a new T2 destroyer with med weapons, that be nice. Assault ships rock as they are, but a new destroyer be money.

Stupid people should suffer, I'm OK with that.
Dr Cedric
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#7 - 2011-11-03 03:11:35 UTC
Tier or tech 2 destroyer is a great option also. I just think that now that the can has been opened, there should be more choices to allow this for more ship types. I can see a tech 3 sub to fit large turrets/launchers... I could see a high sec mini-dread battleship for high sec POS wars. I think this can really open some new doors for ship classes and roles that were maybe discounted because the status quo hadn't been shaken up yet.

Awesome times this winter expansion...and glad I just finished T2 large pulse and beam...I can't wait for these new ships!

Cedric
Goose99
#8 - 2011-11-03 03:17:01 UTC
I'd rather see BS hulls with medium guns/launchers.
SOLMEN
Earth Wings
#9 - 2011-11-03 04:52:07 UTC
Dr Cedric wrote:
Why not make oversized weapons for Assault Frigs?


It's called a stealth bomber.
Smiling Menace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2011-11-03 05:12:15 UTC
SOLMEN wrote:
Dr Cedric wrote:
Why not make oversized weapons for Assault Frigs?


It's called a stealth bomber.


Well there is that but I suspect that's not what people have in mind. The AF's would be in a similar vein to the new Tier 3 BC's. Larger turrets/launchers but would need to be paper thin as the SB's are otherwise we'd all just fly them and kill everything in sight.

Interesting idea but I don't think that it would be that great to be honest. Would step on the toes of the existing ships too much and quite a few already get a raw deal as it is.
Will Strafe
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2011-11-03 05:54:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Will Strafe
The oversized weapons on the new Battlecruisers are made so in an effort to make them the anti cap ships of choice as I understand it. Caps have grown so common they have become a pestilence. New BC and doing away with the Logoffski should help level the field again.

There is no reason to use these ships as an example of why Assault Ships should use medium weapons. We sure don't need any anti-battleship frigates do we.
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2011-11-03 06:02:25 UTC
Nimrod Nemesis wrote:
AF Role: RvB



QFT

As for frigates with oversized guns... stealth bombers, anyone! baha.

Really though, in regards to assault frigs, they're meant to be tanky. For that reason, I would think that them having cruiser equivelant dps (which frankly some already seem to) would make them overpowered where having battleship dps on a fragile battlecruiser doesnt seem so bad.

If anything, I think they need to revise the mids/tank on the caldari equivelants a hair, or the pg, but that might just be me. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but isnt the role of assault frigates supposed to be -heavy tacklers-? Doesnt seem to make alot of sense putting big guns on a tackler. Oh well.
Froz3nEcho Sarain
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2011-11-03 13:58:25 UTC
Arronicus wrote:
Nimrod Nemesis wrote:
AF Role: RvB



QFT

As for frigates with oversized guns... stealth bombers, anyone! baha.

Really though, in regards to assault frigs, they're meant to be tanky. For that reason, I would think that them having cruiser equivelant dps (which frankly some already seem to) would make them overpowered where having battleship dps on a fragile battlecruiser doesnt seem so bad.

If anything, I think they need to revise the mids/tank on the caldari equivelants a hair, or the pg, but that might just be me. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but isnt the role of assault frigates supposed to be -heavy tacklers-? Doesnt seem to make alot of sense putting big guns on a tackler. Oh well.


1 word: 'Retribution' bwhaha

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Tenris Anis
Schattenengel Clan
#14 - 2011-11-03 14:20:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Tenris Anis
Dr Cedric wrote:

Just some thoughts coming out, any other ideas?
Ced


Oversized active tank?
Destroyers and SB already fit the role of oversized guns. 400-500 DPS could be possible with the new destroyers.

Remove insurance.
BearJews
Order of Extrodinary Gentlemen
#15 - 2011-11-03 15:47:21 UTC
why not just give AFs another bonus to afterburners or something, or to scramblers. Something viable for what they currently fit and use.
Tabernack en Chasteaux
Phoibe Enterprises
#16 - 2011-11-03 17:19:38 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
I'd rather see BS hulls with medium guns/launchers.


Not sure if serious.

If you are serious, there's nothing stopping you from downsizing the weapons on your BS. People just don't do it because it's stupid and battlecruisers perform better in that role.

If you're not serious, I done got trolled.
Alan Peamcrie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2011-11-03 17:46:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Alan Peamcrie
Tabernack en Chasteaux wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
I'd rather see BS hulls with medium guns/launchers.


Not sure if serious.

If you are serious, there's nothing stopping you from downsizing the weapons on your BS. People just don't do it because it's stupid and battlecruisers perform better in that role.

If you're not serious, I done got trolled.


Well if there was a BS with bonuses to smaller guns, it would perform better than battlecruisers in dooming the smaller hulls. Because, you know, BS speed is neat to catch an Vaga gang, and BS tank is required against a fleet of merlins.

Oh and by the way Goose, if you want to see BS with medium weapons, just ship scan a few empire missionners.
"I fly the Raven because it makes my peepee bigger but I can only shoot rockets for the moment".


And no, AF's are not supposed to be heavy tacklers :
they are the slowest frigs
their bonuses are towards tank & dps, not prop jamming
their lock times are not particularly high for a frig
look at the amarr one with 1 med...

People use some AFs as heavy tacklers because it's about all they can do right now.
Izuru Hishido
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2011-11-03 18:21:48 UTC
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
Oversized weapons crossed my mind as well. It's a niche that hasn't been filled and makes sense. Of course never bet on CCP making sense! The next question would be, "Are HACS obsoleted by such a change?" The wolf with two damage bonuses, a falloff bonus, and a rate of fire bonus would do more damage with 4 medium guns then the vaga with 5.



I'm going to have to second this. I want all my assault ships to have four bonuses. Where's that fourth bonus that every single assault frigate is missing? Why hasn't this been addressed? Give them all a role appropriate fourth bonus like every other T2 ship ingame has.
Smodab Ongalot
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2011-11-03 18:32:57 UTC
I always liked the idea of the fourth bonus being a speed bonus.

Perhaps one of these:

*Reduction in sig radius bloom from MWD (like a ceptor)
*Bonus to AB speed
*Bonus to Base Speed
*Bonus to Agility


The problem I have always had with AFs is that they are very situational. You either choose to go MWD, and hope you don't have to use it around larger ships, or you go with the AB and just accept the fact that alot of stuff will be faster than you.

I would like to see an AB bonus such that the top speed of the average AF with AB is about the same as the mwd speed of the average cruiser.
Allaera
Kalmincon
#20 - 2011-11-03 19:16:07 UTC
Dr Cedric wrote:
I could see a high sec mini-dread battleship for high sec POS wars.


So could I, I've always wanted to see something like this in Eve.
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