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I could use some advice about my current attributes.
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Warlord Xarkov
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-10-31 10:51:31 UTC
Hi all,

This character is pretty old (not always active) and so far I've been training skill all around. Not really focused on one thing.
And since I started an other character earlier this year, who his attributes are focused on trade, skill training goes much faster when focused.
Which is starting me to believe I should remap my attributes for this character as well. Currently my attributes are a bit spread out. You can find character info here: http://eveboard.com/pilot/Warlord_Xarkov password: whot
With this character I want to focus on combat/PVP.

Now I have read the forums a bit and some say to go full on Perception/Intelligence. Are they right in that matter?

like this?
example 1:

Perception: 29
Memory: 22
Willpower: 22
Intelligence: 29
Charisma: 22

or should I do this? (Since I wanna train drones and some new ships as well)
example 2:
Perception: 28
Memory: 23
Willpower: 23
Intelligence: 28
Charisma: 22

I really could use some advice and suggestions from other players who know what they are talking about (since I don't).

Thnx for taking the time to read this.
Lady Naween
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-10-31 11:10:44 UTC
open evemon, make a training plan with what you want to train.. ask it to optimize it for you.
Warlord Xarkov
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-10-31 11:23:33 UTC
Lady Naween wrote:
open evemon, make a training plan with what you want to train.. ask it to optimize it for you.


Thnx for your answer.
I am ******* around in evemon right now, and it sure is a great tool. However, what if you don't have a plan? Like I said before, I don't really know what I want (xcept combat/pvp).
Is it then to best to spread out your attributes (like they are now) or still specialize in Intelligence/Perception?
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-10-31 12:03:49 UTC
One often-given piece of advice is to pick a ship you like to fly or a weapon system you particuarly like and max out the associated skills. EveMon can help there, open a plan, go to the ships tab and add to your plan all the certificates associated with it. Not perfect, but it gives you some idea.

Tau usually suggests a remap with Per=Int for cases where someone doesn't have a plan
Warlord Xarkov
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-10-31 12:28:39 UTC
Elena Thiesant wrote:
One often-given piece of advice is to pick a ship you like to fly or a weapon system you particuarly like and max out the associated skills. EveMon can help there, open a plan, go to the ships tab and add to your plan all the certificates associated with it. Not perfect, but it gives you some idea.

Tau usually suggests a remap with Per=Int for cases where someone doesn't have a plan



Yeah, now that I am an hour into EveMon I'm starting to realize how much time you actually spend learning skills. Just added some random stuff which I thought I want to learn for sure, together with some maybe's and before you know it your 280 days in.

So a small plan won't hurt. Thnx for those tips, I will certainly use them and starting making a plan.
Another good thing I learned from EveMon is that it aint a drama as it currently is. In general, tried out some different plan, I save about a month a year. So no rush in remapping my attributes.

Gonna sit down, think and start planning what I wanna do (if only I did this in real-life too xD).

Thank you both for the answers and helping me on my way.

Xarkov.
Frank Pannon
Emerald Swine Escavations
#6 - 2013-10-31 14:34:09 UTC
Depends also on the number of remaps you have available. If you have 2 at least, than you can make

- a plan for rounding out your amor, drone and support skills (INT/MEM)

- and than remap for other plan about gunnery, missiles, ships (PER/WILL)
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#7 - 2013-10-31 15:13:20 UTC
* The character has nearly 20m SP, so that's effectively nearly 1 year of training.
* A full set of +5 implants implies you are in hisec, and probably not much of a PvPer.
* Shields + medium AutoCannon + Minmatar ships are your strengths.
* No industry skills to really consider.
* Your drone skills need work.

You would probably be okay with INT=PER as a general attribute mapping. If you don't plan to focus on a lot more ships and weapon systems, you might consider INT>(PER=MEM) as your core skills really need work and they are mostly INT>MEM, plus the +5 implant set will make it possible to train most any skill at a reasonable rate.

Of course others are correct in stating that if you have a plan, and can stick to a plan, using something like EVEmon to figure out the best attributes is optimal.

I wouldn't worry about Willpower as an attribute either. With +4 implants, both Charisma and Willpower will be at a decent level.

Personally I can't stick to a plan, and I had a general attribute mapping for about 3 years before I remapped to PER>WIL.
Warlord Xarkov
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-10-31 16:45:00 UTC
Thank you both for your replies.

I currently have 3 remaps available and I was indeed thinking about doing what you suggested Frank Pannon.
But I don't know if I can do that (the patience) to train for 6 months in a row from the same skill group. This character is meant to fly and have fun too.
I am doing that on my other character though (training same skill group), but that one is just for making money and will hardly leave the station.

Tau Cabalander wrote:
* A full set of +5 implants implies you are in hisec, and probably not much of a PvPer.
* Shields + medium AutoCannon + Minmatar ships are your strengths.
* Your drone skills need work.

your core skills really need work


The full +5 implant set is keeping me from PvP. That's why I'm working on some rep so I can install a Jump clone and finally can blow my ships up without losing too much money.
When I started this game I did PvE only, but that ain't my cup of tea anymore. It's just a repetition of actions.
In the beginning of this year I did a lot of Faction Warfare and actually want to go back to that, because I think it's a good way to learn to PvP for me.

While doing F.W. I got some training plans from the corp I was in (loki, augeror and such), and I just continued those while I left the corp, because they went to 0 sec (I didn't feel like getting lost in Eve yet). I became inactive and just trained those skill while stationed. Now these training plans are coming to an end, the urge to fly out and blow **** up is coming. But I haven't got a skill plan that comes along with this. That's why I'm here :).
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#9 - 2013-11-04 18:26:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
For what it is worth, I did the math for +4, pre skill group re-arrangement.

Intelligence > (Perception = Memory) [23i 21p 17c 17w 21m]
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=759784#post759784

Perception = Intelligence [24i 24p 17c 17w 17m]
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=770537#post770537


Entrance to the rabbit hole (more remapping posts):
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3095907#post3095907
Warlord Xarkov
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-11-07 15:46:42 UTC
Aight, cheers for that. I like that kinda info and will look into it.
Janna Sway
Ember Inc.
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#11 - 2013-11-15 23:14:15 UTC
How about chosing either INT/MEM or PERC/WILL and focusing on either support skills or guns'n'ships? More efficient use of your time.
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2013-11-15 23:38:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Antillie Sa'Kan
Janna Sway wrote:
How about chosing either INT/MEM or PERC/WILL and focusing on either support skills or guns'n'ships? More efficient use of your time.

That's a good idea once you have a solid core to build upon. But a newer player needs lots of skills from both sides right away and some people just don't know what they want to do over the next year. Hence a balanced remap is often best for the first year or so or if you are unsure what direction you want to take your training.