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Exchange programme announced between Elusenia and Khanid Duchy of Palas
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#41 - 2013-11-02 12:47:26 UTC
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:
You are using a misdeed—some would say treasonous act—of your Empress to justify your criticism.


Do you say that it was treasonous?

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#42 - 2013-11-02 12:54:33 UTC
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
An exchange of impressionable young students between two nation states that are ostensibly at war?


Technically, I don't believe the Kingdom is at war with anyone.

I'd need to check, but I believe Gallente militia pilots can enter Kingdom high security space legally and that there are no contested Kingdom/Federation systems. Attacking Imperial ships can lower your standing with the Kingdom to the point where you're not allowed in Kingdom space, but that's because you're a criminal, not an enemy combatant.

Of course, now someone far more knowledgeable than I will come along.


The last time I checked that was true, the same way it is true in Mandate space.

Gaven Lok'ri wrote:

As for Heideran, those were different times. God willed that Amarr work for peace for that century and Heideran worked with him. We are no longer at peace, thanks to the treachery of the Matari and the economic support the Gallente give to the Matari. While Heideran worked for Peace, he did not work to introduce Gallente ideas into Amarrian Culture.




If I understand correctly sir, Heideran did not work to introduce Gallente ideas into Amarrian Culture. And allying with them would go against that ?

You do not need to introduce the ideas of a culture in yours to be allied with someone. Would you say that the Caldari culture impregnated the Amarrian one, following your logic ? I find the idea disturbing. Are you sure of what you seem to imply ?


I think you are misreading my comments. I believe we agree.

Odelya was the one suggesting that Heideran's treaty with the Gallente was equivalent to her sponsoring Gallente scholars to come to Amarr and study Amarrian religion like a bug under a microscope.


Oh I see..

Equivalent, I can not tell. I find the idea rather good, though. Amarrian Faith commands to learn, and learning about other cultures is also part of it. Learning does not systematically equate to adopting, if that is what you fear.

And if that really happens and is deemed dangerous by Amarrian authorities, then you know which teachers are to blame. Adding the blame to the initiative does not make any sense if said initiative is profitable.
Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#43 - 2013-11-02 12:54:47 UTC
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:
Really, do you believe everything you read now? That explains why you could be suckered in by the Tetrimon's nonsense.

I examine my sources and independently judge them in the light of tradition and reason, which cannot be said of you. All you do is write apologetics of why the deeds of emperors were always good. You have created a new Zaragram, and like his name, yours and those of all who follow the blasphemers, will be struck from the Book of Records when the upstanding emerge victorious.


The only part of your drivel that I want to address is the absurd idea that we have created a new Mad Emperor. How could we possibly accomplish such a feat?

Saying that it is not the place of those as far down in the chain of authority as either of us to question the Emperor is not the same as saying that the Emperor cannot be misguided. If we were a Speaker of Truth, a Member of the Privy Council, or a member of the Theology Council, then we would have the authority to criticize the Empresses Actions. We do not have that authority and pretending that we do is hubris.

Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore 24th Imperial Crusade

Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#44 - 2013-11-02 14:04:18 UTC
Then why even bother to posture against so called heretics and apostates every day, pointing fingers at others that PIE Inc deems heretics, accusing of heresy again here and here and here and what not like you seem to always do ?

You say this is not your place to decide such matters, and so, would you be guilty of hubris yourselves admiral ?
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#45 - 2013-11-02 15:44:39 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Then why even bother to posture against so called heretics and apostates every day, pointing fingers at others that PIE Inc deems heretics, accusing of heresy again here and here and here and what not like you seem to always do ?

You say this is not your place to decide such matters, and so, would you be guilty of hubris yourselves admiral ?

Because reporting crime to the authorities is the duty of every Amarrian subject.

Also PIE has never overstepped its legal authority.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Shirin Khashour
Praetorian Auxiliary Force
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
#46 - 2013-11-02 16:42:27 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Then why even bother to posture against so called heretics and apostates every day, pointing fingers at others that PIE Inc deems heretics, accusing of heresy again here and here and here and what not like you seem to always do ?

You say this is not your place to decide such matters, and so, would you be guilty of hubris yourselves admiral ?


The Admiral specifically was talking about who has the right to judge the Empress and those who are at the height of Amarrian authority. Noticing and pointing out heretic capsuleers is an entirely different issue. 

Commandant of PAux.     "Surround yourself with the faithful, Stand together, for there is no strength like it under the heavens."  - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 71:21
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#47 - 2013-11-02 18:01:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyn Farel
Shirin Khashour wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
Then why even bother to posture against so called heretics and apostates every day, pointing fingers at others that PIE Inc deems heretics, accusing of heresy again here and here and here and what not like you seem to always do ?

You say this is not your place to decide such matters, and so, would you be guilty of hubris yourselves admiral ?


The Admiral specifically was talking about who has the right to judge the Empress and those who are at the height of Amarrian authority. Noticing and pointing out heretic capsuleers is an entirely different issue.



I am not sure that you are accredited to rule out which capsuleer is or is not heretic as well - since it is the TC and MIO job - as admiral Blake pointed out above.

PIE Inc sure seems to enjoy finger pointing though.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#48 - 2013-11-02 18:15:21 UTC
I unfortunately have to agree with the Imperial robe-kissers; While the height of Imperial impropriety to criticize those -above- one's station... criticizing those at or below is all well and good under the right circumstances.

And since I imagine most of PIE and greater Amarr would consider Duchy-kins below their station they rightly see nothing wrong with calling her out on just about everything.

Sabik now, Sabik forever
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#49 - 2013-11-02 19:27:48 UTC
I am unsure that you imagine right, lady Vitalia...
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#50 - 2013-11-02 19:49:20 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
PIE Inc sure seems to enjoy finger pointing though.


Finger-pointing is a long and proud tradition within greater Amarr and I for one am glad to see PIE upholding its cultural roots. If you can't count on a conservative, authoritarian group to judge their peers, we might as well start inviting wolves to the dinner table.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#51 - 2013-11-02 20:04:14 UTC  |  Edited by: James Syagrius
Dispite the expressed misgivings of those whose political or personal agendas oppose cultural exchange between the Federation and the Kingdom, I think this effort is an absolutely wonderful idea.

I will watch with great interest how the exchange progresses.

I hope in the future we can hear from the students themselves regarding there perspectives and experiences.

“Here also are the heralds of his praise."
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