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EVE: The Free to Play REVOLUTION!

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Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#141 - 2013-10-31 15:49:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Phoenix Jones
The way star citizen is going, I believe CCP doesn't have to worry very much.

Don't fix what ain't broken. You have a very easy ingame way of paying for the game. You just have to work at it.

Will people jump ship. You betcha. Heck logins dropped for CCP the night the batman movie came out, when a wow expansion dropped, when ffxiv relaunched.

People go play the new thing, cry when it isn't perfect, then return.

Eve is like a warm used blanket. You paid for it, stitched it up, and won't throw it out.

Yaay!!!!

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#142 - 2013-10-31 16:01:35 UTC
EVE already has the best free to play model in the business.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#143 - 2013-10-31 16:53:55 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
EVE already has the best free to play model in the business.


The only problem it requires grind for the majority of people. If you are space rich off the backs of others, then you don't need to log in only so often, but there are only a handful of people who fall under that category.

I think I would enjoy EVE more if I didn't have to log on as much is what I am trying to say.

But CCP will have none of that.

Looking to talk on VOIP with other EVE players? Are you new and need help with EVE (welfare) or looking for advice? Looking for adversarial debate with angry people?

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#144 - 2013-10-31 16:57:36 UTC
Phoenix Jones wrote:
The way star citizen is going, I believe CCP doesn't have to worry very much.


People are talking about SC is if it's out now, and it's awesome.

The whole thing might not be a scam

It might produce a good game.

It might not have a cripplingly greedy cash shop

It might even be the first game ever to appear on schedule. The year after next.


Two things are certain though:

Firstly it will have to compete against EVE, not as it is now, but with 4 more expansions under its belt. I understand Mr Roberts is ambitious to produce an outstanding game; I don't think CCP Seagull is any less passionate. Star Citizen has the advantage of a "clean slate" and learning from the mistakes of other games. EVE will have the advantage of a 12 year development headstart, and experience in dealing with one of the most demanding customer bases imaginable.

Secondly, and much more importantly, there's simply no way SC can possibly live up to the weight of the expections that the hypenauts are placing in it.

Have a dose of reality. It tastes a little bitter but it's ultimately more refreshing.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Baggo Hammers
#145 - 2013-10-31 17:00:56 UTC
Oh joy another prole with a business plan...

If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there.

Karrl Tian
Doomheim
#146 - 2013-10-31 17:03:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Karrl Tian
Phoenix Jones wrote:


Don't fix what ain't broken. .


Is that a challenge, good sir?

----CCP

Also, I went to a SC panel recently and the developers themselves said they weren't going to try to be EVE.

Seriously, when you try to steal the existing playerbase of an established game, it doesn't go too well.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#147 - 2013-10-31 17:04:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
EVE already has the best free to play model in the business.


The only problem it requires grind for the majority of people. If you are space rich off the backs of others, then you don't need to log in only so often, but there are only a handful of people who fall under that category.

I think I would enjoy EVE more if I didn't have to log on as much is what I am trying to say.

But CCP will have none of that.


At current prices, a single plex costs 20.5 mil isk per DAY. That's 20-25 minutes per day in a null sec anomaly like forsaken hub if you are flying a crappy t1 BS or attack battlecruiser.

Hell, doing ONE site in non-shiny HQ incursion fleet flying a tech 1 BS pays 31 mil + lp. You could literally join a high sec incursion fleet, run ONE HQ site with them per day and at the end of the month you could buy a plex and have STILL have a quarter bil+ isk left to spend on space-hookers and space-blow.

And you would enjoy a game more if you didn't have to play that game as much? At what point do you realize that the game in question is not your cup of tea?
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#148 - 2013-10-31 17:12:04 UTC
Karrl Tian wrote:
Phoenix Jones wrote:


Don't fix what ain't broken. .


Is that a challenge, good sir?

----CCP

Also, I went to a SC panel recently and the developers themselves said they weren't going to try to be EVE.

Seriously, when you try to steal the existing playerbase of an established game, it doesn't go too well.


Someone needs to forward this link to the Mechwarrior Online devs.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#149 - 2013-10-31 17:18:03 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Firstly it will have to compete against EVE, not as it is now, but with 4 more expansions under its belt. I understand Mr Roberts is ambitious to produce an outstanding game; I don't think CCP Seagull is any less passionate. Star Citizen has the advantage of a "clean slate" and learning from the mistakes of other games. EVE will have the advantage of a 12 year development headstart, and experience in dealing with one of the most demanding customer bases imaginable.


Will EVE support walking in stations and Occulus Rift support in 4 expansion?

Well there is Valkyrie, but that's not EVE really and will most likely be F2P.

Yeah there is too much hype and people are spending $1000 on ships in a game that doesn't have anything other than a hanger which you can walk around and gawk at space pixels.

The thing is though, some of us have low expectations... Hell... War Thunder and World of Tanks has better gameplay than EVE but it lacks strategic depth.

You only need slightly better gameplay and somewhat of a strategic depth to achieve success.

War Thunder and World of Tanks and League of Legends have more players than EVE, but they aren't really competing. Sure I might play one of those games for a few hours, but it lacks the depth of EVE to warrant spending most of the time on it.

The issue is that if you have a game that has superior game play AND strategic depth then you'll stop playing the other game.

But the truth is we don't know other than the development promises, but I suppose they aren't going to fail because lack of money. People are just throwing hundreds of dollars at that game.

Anyways, I think that Star Citizens success or failure also rides in the success of the Occulus Rift.

I have a suspicion due to the reviews of people on youtube that I saw is that when people get a rift, they will stop playing games that don't support it because it seems more realistic and immersive with the Rift.

CCP has noticed this so that is why they started Valkyrie and demo the hell out it with the Occulus Rift everywhere they have an event.

Looking to talk on VOIP with other EVE players? Are you new and need help with EVE (welfare) or looking for advice? Looking for adversarial debate with angry people?

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Snakebyte Jack
AcT Legion
#150 - 2013-10-31 17:21:39 UTC
No!
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#151 - 2013-10-31 17:27:35 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
EVE already has the best free to play model in the business.


The only problem it requires grind for the majority of people. If you are space rich off the backs of others, then you don't need to log in only so often, but there are only a handful of people who fall under that category.

I think I would enjoy EVE more if I didn't have to log on as much is what I am trying to say.

But CCP will have none of that.


At current prices, a single plex costs 20.5 mil isk per DAY. That's 20-25 minutes per day in a null sec anomaly like forsaken hub if you are flying a crappy t1 BS or attack battlecruiser.

Hell, doing ONE site in non-shiny HQ incursion fleet flying a tech 1 BS pays 31 mil + lp. You could literally join a high sec incursion fleet, run ONE HQ site with them per day and at the end of the month you could buy a plex and have STILL have a quarter bil+ isk left to spend on space-hookers and space-blow.

And you would enjoy a game more if you didn't have to play that game as much? At what point do you realize that the game in question is not your cup of tea?


I don't like null politics and I don't trust WH corporations. Also I hate mission running and ratting much less incursions.

Also, if people are buying plex to sell for isk it means there is a good portion of the player base who don't earn enough isk to warrant actually buying the plex.

Also personally, I can earn 2-3 plex's every weekend so its not like I have to log in every day.

I mentioned before I actually plex'd 3 accounts til January 30 so I might as well be playing.

Actually... I should check my market orders now.

And truth be told I sort of do enjoy the process of making the isk. Its just that I believe the majority of players who buy their plex do so through grinding of certain actives like missioning which seem like a chore.

It just feels like I have a 200lb on my back to make sure I earn enough isk all the damn time even though I don't.

I just don't like the idea of having to play all the time even if its only 2-3 days a week. I sometimes like to take breaks for a month and do other things for a bit. I want to be free to not play the game when I choose not to.

Looking to talk on VOIP with other EVE players? Are you new and need help with EVE (welfare) or looking for advice? Looking for adversarial debate with angry people?

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#152 - 2013-10-31 17:44:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Captain Tardbar wrote:


I don't like null politics and I don't trust WH corporations.


Who said anything about poltics? Do you have to join a WH corp to solo a class 3 or below wormhole in a drake? Do you have to join a corp to jump into a cheap ship, go to null sec and find ONE forsaken hub/Rally point and spend 20-3- minutes a day (less if you know what you are doing) earning enough to play the game for free?

Quote:
Also I hate mission running and ratting much less incursions.


Industry? You can afk mine in a tanked mining ship with eve in the back ground and while it takes much longer, its effortless and cheap.

You're making excuses. You're saying you can't trade 20-30 minutes of your time for EVE. That's ok, but that's no reason for true "free to play" in EVE.


Quote:

Also, if people are buying plex to sell for isk it means there is a good portion of the player base who don't earn enough isk to warrant actually buying the plex.


No, it means some people want a short cut, or see plex as a business oppurtunity. You're assumption here is wrong.
Quote:

Also personally, I can earn 2-3 plex's every weekend so its not like I have to log in every day.

I mentioned before I actually plex'd 3 accounts til January 30 so I might as well be playing.

Actually... I should check my market orders now.

And truth be told I sort of do enjoy the process of making the isk. Its just that I believe the majority of players who buy their plex do so through grinding of certain actives like missioning which seem like a chore.

It just feels like I have a 200lb on my back to make sure I earn enough isk all the damn time even though I don't.

I just don't like the idea of having to play all the time even if its only 2-3 days a week. I sometimes like to take breaks for a month and do other things for a bit. I want to be free to not play the game when I choose not to.


You are free to do that. Sub with money, OR let your sub lapse and come back when you want to. What you seem to want is all the advantages and none of the trade offs/ The trade offs are what make EVE compelling.

The "feelings" you have most likely are the result of you trying to fit a square peg (your enjoyment) into a round hole (EVE). When you think a game is a "chore" it's not time for the game to change, it's time for you to make new and better choices.

If you think the tank game or a game where people shoot fairy dust and arrows at each other via scantilly clad avatars (LoL) has "better gameplay" then EvE probably just doesn't suit you. And yes, I play World of Tanks and LoL, they are nice quick changes of pace from EvE, but only for a few minutes.
cynthia greythorne
Blue Cat Instrumentality
#153 - 2013-10-31 17:44:45 UTC
'2) CCP sells character slots, ship paints, golden pods and more clothes and stuff. Basically, CCP sells as much as it can that doesn't have an impact on gameplay.

As they improve the game more people play and buy cosmetic items and CCP get richer.'

I can see that quickly degenerating into 'Evetropia'. What fun that would be.
Atlantis Fuanan
Wormhole Research Inc.
#154 - 2013-10-31 17:45:12 UTC
EA is trying to slowly get Players used to upcomming free2play model?

[u]Things that would make EVE better:[/u] NRDS - Remove Local - Balance Cloak - Sov-Mechanic Changes - Less QQ

Leigh Akiga
Kuhri Innovations
#155 - 2013-10-31 17:47:02 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
EVE already has the best free to play model in the business.


The only problem it requires grind for the majority of people. If you are space rich off the backs of others, then you don't need to log in only so often, but there are only a handful of people who fall under that category


You could be spacerich off the backs of others too but you chose not to.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#156 - 2013-10-31 17:50:27 UTC
Well truth be told I hate LoL.

And what I am trying to say even though I don't have a problem making enough isk to plex 3 accounts, I don't like the idea that I have to play all the time even for 30 minutes a day.

Like I said, some weeks I don't feel like playing EVE.

I don't expect them to change the game because I don't like it.

It just means if I find a F2P game with enough long term strategic depth, I'll stop playing EVE.

And I suppose I won't be alone...

Looking to talk on VOIP with other EVE players? Are you new and need help with EVE (welfare) or looking for advice? Looking for adversarial debate with angry people?

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#157 - 2013-10-31 17:56:40 UTC
Jim McMorris wrote:


At the moment, EVE cannot survive in the long-run



Its the only MMO to have a decade of growth.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#158 - 2013-10-31 18:12:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
Solstice Project wrote:
Die in a ******* gunfire. (ingame)

The quoted post, ladies and gentlemen,
is based on the concept of "cheap pops" from World Wrestling Entertainment.


24 Likes and counting. ^_^


There's so much meta, my eyes sparkle! :D


How does this post influence the behaviour of the observer in context of liking the quoted post ?

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"hm ...",
"hm.. interesting",
"wtf?",
"i want his drugs",
"not that guy AGAIN",
"**** you, sol",
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
It's the stream-of-consciousness philosophy, combined with the Surrealists' Automatic Writing paradigm.

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something totally unrelated, like an opinion about Likes (there's always that one guy, but he is - in fact - many ... :/ )
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Solomunio Kzenig
Incursions Missions and Mining
#159 - 2013-10-31 18:35:51 UTC
To the OP, aren't you that doucheag CCP hired from EA?
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#160 - 2013-10-31 18:59:32 UTC
Eve online has the best payment structure of any game I have Ever played. It's been free to play since I started in '08. I have chosen to pay $34.95 (each) for my first 3 accounts to get a head start.

Making it follow the standard model of free to play would wreck it utterly and completely. Comparing it to STO is a joke. Comparing it to SC is apples to oranges. STO aint bad for an F2P MMO but the graphics suck and it only has an edge on eve in one or 2 small facets. And either game can release any numbers they want, Eve has WAY more players.

Anyway its a terrible idea. CCP would loose millions a month. That's not cool.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it