EVE General Discussion

Perhaps he assumes the other person is dead weight or he may be thinking that they are just there for protection rather than a second productive ship.

I do think the new interceptors are going to have a huge impact on anom farming, and I'm ok with that, if you aren't paying attention in nullsec you deserve to explode. It's not going to change an awful lot about how I do things since I already prepare to GTFO while farming and/OR use ships cheap enough that I don't mind losing them Domis and Armageddons rule).

But i will say this, I think that after the impact of the changes to interceptors and warping (and the new deployables like the portable cyno jammer, which i have mentally named the "HotStopper" lol), there maybe should be a re-evaluation and perhaps re-balancing of defensive equipment in the game.

For the most part defensive equipment like warp core stabs, defender missiles and the target lock breaker and even cloaks have so many draw backs and costs (such as taking up slots) that using them for PVE ship defense that you end up better off doing PVE stuff in high sec where people have to put in a lot of effort to screw with you.

Also, some people think the inty change will lead to more pvp as more carriers get caught in anomalies. It probably will at 1st and the portable cyno jammer won't help because the raiders will just brring 2 ship (a ceptor to tackle and another ship to light the cyno outside of the portable jammer's range, or just a bomber with warp rigs and a covert cyno). But eventually it means fewer carrier kills because human nature dictates that people will just stop ratting with carriers.

There are going to be some SERIOUS tears on Rubicon launch day when a bunch of carriers die while ratting.

And then the people who didn't hear about ANY of the changes CCP has been warning us about for months are going to stomp angrily to this forum DEMANDING to know why they weren't informed and DEMANDING their carrier based SP be refunded because they just trained carriers for ratting and there nothing else you can do with those things.

And I'm going to lull hard.



Also, I've already copyrighted "HotStopper" with the CONCORD forum phrases patent office, I demand 0.01 isk every time someone else says "HotStopper"..... I'll be rich!

I do this EVERY time I see a nuet enter local. .....

Step 1: hold A and click the station.

Step 2: Hit your MJD

Step 3: When you come out of you MJD, you will be just under warp speed and aligned, give it another second and hit dock.


Step 1 and 2 can be done in under a second. AS LONG AS YOU ALIGN to station before hitting your MJD then the ship will continue to align as the drive spools up. IF you hit your MJD before you align you cannot change the direction of your align.

This takes less than 10 seconds, and as long as you warp from a safe to the hub, (at whatever your optimum range is,) when you leave your MJD you will be at a location that the interceptor cannot warp 2.

Alternatively, when you land in the site, use your MJD to jump to the opposite side of the hub/site. (This works well for me as I always warp in at 50kms anyway)


O7

Does this mean that if you dual box each of your characters gets twice as much money.?

when one's on defence only? no, you're making half as much as you could have

Didn't miss it, started to post the same thing i did till i realized he never said "fit MJD to Ishtar". He was listing individual tactics.

It's been far to long since I've done any ratting, so I'll comment on how I see this effecting my mining.

I jumped on the test server to see if I would have enough time to warp the rorqual, after seeing my corpmate land on the gate in the next system over (he was in a inty with no warp speed rigs, no special implants) I had my pull down menu ready, so all I had to do was click the mouse button and cycle the MWD. He jumped, warped to the belt, and pointed me at about 8 seconds into my MWD cycle. Granted, I told him what belt I was in. However this was in ideal conditions for me, I was staring at the scout's screen, waiting to see him (as opposed to moving ore around, or running compression jobs, or chatting with nerds in alliance), I had the right click menu all set and ready to go. The menu alone normally adds 2-3 seconds, and I can't click the overview icon because I have to fleet warp. The hulks typically warp about the same time as the rorqual, so they're all fairly easy targets.

This means my rorqual will no longer be going to the belt; hulks mining without a hauler that can keep up...yeah, no thanks. I will be mining in macks, so I can get out faster.

One point that I haven't seen mentioned in this thread is the amount of time the BS or cap ships will take to go from entering warp to landing in the anomaly. This will take long enough in some rare cases that an interceptor will be able to catch you when you had entered warp before he had even entered the neighboring system. I did say rare and it will require a ton of luck, but you can rest assured it will happen, and the guy who is stuck watching the inty pilot warp gate to gate, then into the anom, all while the BS/cap is in warp and having zero control over anything...he's not gonna be happy with eve. Don't forget, you'll have to align and enter warp again to get away.

Another negative is that the interceptor will now be a problem not only for the system he is in, but the single pilot can effect all the surrounding systems activity, since he can quickly get anywhere.

A few rebuttals:
Intel channels - That's nice if you live in space where everyone is crammed together and online/active all day. I doubt I'm the only one who mines at weird hours in space that is semi-empty. IMHO, the best intel is your own eyes. This is why I have an extra character watching outside where I mine. Faster speed, means I'll need more intel further out, which I will be doing with another extra character.....great

Just mine aligned - That doesn't really work when you're trying to clear belts of giant roids, you wind up slow boating right out of range, have to turn around to go back in range, then you're no longer aligned. Just BM behind the belt, warp out and back to the BM? Might as well just go with the mackinaws then.

Fit X module - with pimped out hulks (t2 rigs, faction resist amps, b-type boosters, max skills) the hulks still need remote reps on some rat spawns, now u want me to drop a tank mod to fit ecm? or a strip miner to fit a neut? The rorqual has a shield and armor rep for the hulks and drones, tractors for obvious reasons, and shield links to help with the tanking, dropping some of those, for a neut, great idea...I'll get right on that. The rorqual does have some open mids to fit ecm. With all that said, ECM neuts and such things are ok against one target, but I'm really expecting groups of 5-10 taranis pilots to be flying around quite a bit; I know we're planning on it in my corp. Yes, I'm gonna abuse this mechanic for all it's worth, until it gets nerfed.

Dont sit on the warp in - First, I don't get to decide where the roids are, but thats a smaller issue since I typically have to move a little further away. Second, with the belts lasting many hours, I've had hostiles come in to bookmark, then come back later that day and warp to the different spots in the belts where they think I might be. I've changed to covops and warped to my own BMs above the belts to watch when I knew they were coming. Know thy enemy....

Jump in a pvp ship and go fight them - Most solo and even smaller gangs are not looking for fights when they show up in a ratting/mining system. They come in, try to catch a shiny, quick n easy kill, talk some smack about the miner sitting in the pos, complain that eve sucks because they couldn't catch anything, then leave and send a cloaky alt back later. The second you show up in a pvp ship(s) that has a reasonable chance of ending in their death, the gang runs faster than any miner ever could. I'm not blaming them, that's EVE.

To those whining about people whining, when a big part of your gameplay gets significantly changed for the worse, you'll be whining too. Switching from hulks to mackinaws will be a nerf to my yield right off the bat, without even factoring in the time warping from the belt to the pos and back.

Personally, I wish null sec ratting and mining were more of a pvp activity, where the miners had a reason to stay in the belt and stood a decent chance of surviving gank attempts with proper pvp support. But that's not possible until the space tyrants that run null alliances/corps have a reason to want their own members mining the ore in their own space. For now and the forseable future, we just have to find ways to run n hide when even a lowly frigate shows up.

Listen to this while reading this post and it will brighten your day.


WTF IZ CINO

To the OP's original point.

You will likely do as you have always done which is either to bot yourself off to your tower or fit stabs.

I will be fitting warp faster rigs to my sabre and out looking for you guys. For years the 'honest' belt ratting BS has been a rare thing. I have tried log in traps, anchored bubbles etc etc and the vast majority of the time as soon as local pops up one the hostiles are in warp to the tower / station.

Uncanny how vigilant people can be off local after hours of ratting / mining even with multiple others in local. It almost feels that we have been disadvantaging the honest belt ratter over the years, they I suspect tend to be the ones we catch.

So yay ....roll on Lubicon. Your gonna need some for what we're gonna do to you. For those that rat and PVP when required to, see you in the Belts o/, for those that have botted their way safe we will enjoy killing you and taking your stuffs.