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Caleb Seremshur
Commando Guri
Guristas Pirates
#41 - 2013-11-03 00:58:49 UTC
[Cerberus, Cerberus fit HAM]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Power Diagnostic System II

Faint Warp Disruptor I
Medium Shield Booster II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Amplifier II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard II
Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II

Probably a dirt-crap fit but for fighting other cruisers I've found it "adequate".

Pimping it out results in

[Cerberus, Cerberus fit HAM bling]

Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System

Corelum C-Type 10MN Microwarpdrive
Caldari Navy Medium Shield Booster
Caldari Navy EM Ward Amplifier
Shadow Serpentis Warp Disruptor
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard II
Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II

With quite a bit better dps and of course range improvements across the board. WIth implants you break 840 dps, the problem is of course: application.
Hatsumi Kobayashi
Perkone
Caldari State
#42 - 2013-11-03 01:08:20 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Morrigan LeSante wrote:
Anyone actually dared to undock and try the eagle yet?



Blaster eagle is amazingly powerul and can surprise a lot of people.


I haven't seen it many times, but EMP has run AB Eagles with rails at least once or twice with decent success, same for SOLAR.

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Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#43 - 2013-11-03 01:39:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Chessur
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
[Cerberus, Cerberus fit HAM]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Power Diagnostic System II

Faint Warp Disruptor I
Medium Shield Booster II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Amplifier II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard II
Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II

Probably a dirt-crap fit but for fighting other cruisers I've found it "adequate".

Pimping it out results in

[Cerberus, Cerberus fit HAM bling]

Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System

Corelum C-Type 10MN Microwarpdrive
Caldari Navy Medium Shield Booster
Caldari Navy EM Ward Amplifier
Shadow Serpentis Warp Disruptor
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard II
Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II

With quite a bit better dps and of course range improvements across the board. WIth implants you break 840 dps, the problem is of course: application.



Why are you fitting medium shield boosters to a cruiser, with out a cap booster and a medium core defense cap safeguard... I dont even... my eyes bleed. Faint warp disruptor? Come on man.... fit dual LSE and be done with it, and throw an anci in the rigs with a T2 EM screen
Caleb Seremshur
Commando Guri
Guristas Pirates
#44 - 2013-11-03 08:03:05 UTC
Haha yes I thought that would be your conclusion. Neither of fits are real I just wanted to know your thoughts on viability of an active tanked cerb.

But even so those fits are nearly cap stable if you fit 3% cap implants. I have about 5 different cerbs and they're all configured differently
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#45 - 2013-11-03 08:46:48 UTC
[Cerberus, HAM PvP]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Warp Disruptor II
EM Ward Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

A dual EM screen reinforcer II + invul works too, although it takes a little more juice and links worse. Substitute a BCU for a nano if needed, and replace the web for a TP for large gang/fleet action.
Caleb Seremshur
Commando Guri
Guristas Pirates
#46 - 2013-11-03 09:05:32 UTC
That looks pretty good.

I fit one with loading bay ii and a t2 em rig to free up a mid and keep the deeps high.

I find the cerb meshes quite well with recons where you can get them. If someone brings a tengu though their performance outshines me quite a bit except foe fights in an enemies deep falloff thanks to 40km rage missilea
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#47 - 2013-11-03 12:35:23 UTC
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
Haha yes I thought that would be your conclusion. Neither of fits are real I just wanted to know your thoughts on viability of an active tanked cerb.

But even so those fits are nearly cap stable if you fit 3% cap implants. I have about 5 different cerbs and they're all configured differently


Active tank cerbs are amazing, RLML cerbs sport an XLASB. However a HAM cerb, can't hope to fit that type of tank.
Danny John-Peter
The Congregation
RAPID HEAVY ROPERS
#48 - 2013-11-03 13:22:17 UTC
You can wedge a LASB/LSE on a Cerb without too much difficulty, its not got the same tank as an XLASB obviously but its handy as re-loading buffer never the less as long as you aren't tackled.
shal ri
Short Bus Window Licker
#49 - 2013-12-20 21:19:07 UTC
I hope to god that the idea of ham cerbs being terrible continues. It will get me more fights. Post it everywhere. Everywhere I say
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#50 - 2013-12-21 05:26:44 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Morrigan LeSante wrote:
Anyone actually dared to undock and try the eagle yet?



Blaster eagle is amazingly powerul and can surprise a lot of people.


THIS. put blasters, mwd scram and tank on it, and watch as the 150k ehp eagle MELTS peoples faces off.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#51 - 2013-12-21 11:15:48 UTC
in my flyings, zealot and ishtar are both excellent, munin is unsealable crap outside of the alpha fleet it was always good at and deimos is still mediocre in the extreme.

the kitey shield HACs are still utterly irrelevant because tier 3 battlecruisers exist.

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kurage87
EVE University
Ivy League
#52 - 2013-12-21 13:05:49 UTC
shal ri wrote:
I hope to god that the idea of ham cerbs being terrible continues. It will get me more fights. Post it everywhere. Everywhere I say

'twas from before the RLML change. HAM cerb is the only way to fit them now.
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
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#53 - 2013-12-21 15:14:55 UTC
shal ri wrote:
I hope to god that the idea of ham cerbs being terrible continues. It will get me more fights. Post it everywhere. Everywhere I say

Your necro post to this thread has made it more known to people

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
Rab See
Stellar Dynamics
#54 - 2013-12-21 17:01:28 UTC
Amazing that the Ishtar is by far the most potent ship.

It can field frigate, cruiser and BS weapons, hits for 900+ ranged dps on shield fits and has a nice selectable damage type.

Compare it to everything else, even most T1 BS and it craps all over them.

Its a pvp/e beauty.

Amarr got one good ship - missiles.
Cerb is good, Eagle is surprising.
Deimos now good ...
Munnin - crap, Vaga meh!

Truly minmatar got the ****** stick - seriously one trick crap.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#55 - 2013-12-22 23:47:46 UTC
And yet both the Minmatar HACs were buffed (better sensors, Vaga effectively got a 5th bonus, extra low for the Muninnn)

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God's Apples
Wilderness
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
#56 - 2013-12-23 06:10:18 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
And yet both the Minmatar HACs were buffed (better sensors, Vaga effectively got a 5th bonus, extra low for the Muninnn)


It's more an issue of the weapons they use rather than the ships themselves. If the vaga was a laser ship it would be superb. It's just stuck with ****** ACs or unviable arties.

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Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2013-12-23 08:47:08 UTC
The worse hac is The zealot. Dont know how ccp tought it was OK. It has not been used for a logn time before the HAC rebalance.

It needs better fittings and some reduced mass ASAP.


As of now there is no GOOD reason to use a Zealot.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2013-12-23 08:49:50 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
And yet both the Minmatar HACs were buffed (better sensors, Vaga effectively got a 5th bonus, extra low for the Muninnn)



5th bonus my ASS. It has same speed as the sttaber!!!

Your argument is same as saying the ishtar got extra bonuses because it has more drone bay. Or that the zealot got eztra bonus because it has more capacitor than the munin.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Hatsumi Kobayashi
Perkone
Caldari State
#59 - 2013-12-23 15:43:48 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
The worse hac is The zealot. Dont know how ccp tought it was OK. It has not been used for a logn time before the HAC rebalance.

It needs better fittings and some reduced mass ASAP.


As of now there is no GOOD reason to use a Zealot.


What is wrong with you

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Odithia
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#60 - 2013-12-23 20:51:13 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
The worse hac is The zealot. Dont know how ccp tought it was OK. It has not been used for a logn time before the HAC rebalance.

It needs better fittings and some reduced mass ASAP.


As of now there is no GOOD reason to use a Zealot.

Good instant damage projection/application in scrimish with moderate to large sized fleet.

I agree that it is kinda bad.
But everything is when compared to the mighty Isthar.