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HAC analysis?

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Caleb Seremshur
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#1 - 2013-10-29 02:54:41 UTC
Since we've had some time to play with the new HACs what verdict have people arrived at?

Personally the cerb feels a little underwhelming but the deimos feels good. Haven't tried an eagle since the rebalance but doubt that it was improved very much.

Also does anyone have a good cerb fit? I can't form one that I'm satisfied with.
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
Thermodynamics
#2 - 2013-10-29 03:06:10 UTC
Deimos is a blast to fly, Cerb is excellent in small gangs with RLMLs fitted, the Ishtar is a fantastic sentry-kiter, and the Vaga can do some cool things. Don't know much about the others.

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#3 - 2013-10-29 03:45:37 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
The Sacrilege and Zealot are the same as they always have been... except the Sac has been buffed a bit making it just a bit more effective in small brawling scenarios.

And the Ishtar... mmm... very flexible and worth having in any small gang. It can brawl with the best of them and shoo off kiters and snipers when necessary.

How did you Veterans start?
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#4 - 2013-10-29 07:29:23 UTC
Here is a nice tier list for you:

God Tier:

Ishtar / Cerb

Cerb does well as pure anti-tackle / anti support as well for those peski ewar cruisers / frigs. Amazing ship
Ishtar has more DPS to bring than the cerb, another great pick.

Good Tier:

Diemos

Deimos is good at what it does. Shield rail diemos is still pretty good


Meh Tier:

Vagabond / Munin

Vagabond is bad because it uses auto cannons. Ship is just bad, unless you want a way to scram kiting ships.

**** Tier:

Zealot, Sac, Eagle
Kasutra
No Vacancies
No Vacancies.
#5 - 2013-10-29 08:41:47 UTC
Chessur wrote:
**** Tier:

Zealot, Sac, Eagle

Zealot is ****?

Wat
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#6 - 2013-10-29 09:30:28 UTC
Kasutra wrote:
Chessur wrote:
**** Tier:

Zealot, Sac, Eagle

Zealot is ****?

Wat


ITT Chessur being of the opinion that brawling isn't a thing and that gangs with logistics aren't a thing.

All the HACs are in a pretty good place now, the Muninn is pretty niche and the Vaga has DPS projection issues but overall they are all good ships, I think the Sacs traditional dual rep role is better served by the Deimos these days but its excellent in a Logi supported gang as heavy tackle and secondary DPS, the Zealot is again a good gang ship both in Armour gangs and as Anti-Support in shield gangs.

The Eagle looks interesting on paper as a fleet rail platform but whether that applies in game I am unsure, the Muninn still has its niche arty role as I said but with ABCs kind of ******* that Meta a bit its hard to say and it may well end up under-used.

The Ishtar is pretty good but the derpyness of drones can make it a bit of a pain, however its never the less a very powerful platform, the dual-rep Deimos is an absolute beast.

The Cerb is an amazing HAM and RLML platform for solo and gang, RLMLs being so good in general making the RLML Cerb very versatile and potent, probably to the point where RLMLs are in need of a bit of a nerf.
Desudes
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-10-29 11:15:23 UTC
Heavy missiles not worth using for the missile HACs?

Excuse me, but what the f*ck are you desu?
Caleb Seremshur
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#8 - 2013-10-29 11:26:54 UTC
Are heavy missiles worth using at all now? That's not a trick question either.
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
Thermodynamics
#9 - 2013-10-29 11:39:03 UTC
RLML is the new HML

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
Platypus King
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-10-29 15:01:02 UTC
Cap buff + sig radius reduction. Hac changes are good.
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#11 - 2013-10-29 16:58:13 UTC
Kasutra wrote:
Chessur wrote:
**** Tier:

Zealot, Sac, Eagle

Zealot is ****?

Wat


The Nomen makes a better zealot, than the zealot. True fact.
Hatsumi Kobayashi
Perkone
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-10-29 19:17:53 UTC
Chessur wrote:
Kasutra wrote:
Chessur wrote:
**** Tier:

Zealot, Sac, Eagle

Zealot is ****?

Wat


The Nomen makes a better zealot, than the zealot. True fact.


This is why you are in FA and not in a good alliance.

No sig.
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#13 - 2013-10-29 19:41:06 UTC
Chessur wrote:
Kasutra wrote:
Chessur wrote:
**** Tier:

Zealot, Sac, Eagle

Zealot is ****?

Wat


The Nomen makes a better zealot, than the zealot. True fact.


hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

TII Resists more buffer and more DPS aren't important I hear.
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#14 - 2013-10-29 20:17:29 UTC
Danny John-Peter wrote:
Chessur wrote:
Kasutra wrote:
Chessur wrote:
**** Tier:

Zealot, Sac, Eagle

Zealot is ****?

Wat


The Nomen makes a better zealot, than the zealot. True fact.


hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

TII Resists more buffer and more DPS aren't important I hear.


More Speed, Smaller sig, drone bay, are pretty important in my experience.
Caleb Seremshur
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#15 - 2013-10-29 20:32:51 UTC
Yea and caracal has better speed than cerberus. Vaga will be an exception to the rule most likely. The point is that you have 50% more ehp on a hac as well as twice as many bonuses. Hacs probably are objectively better than t1 at this point with t1 retaining a few minor advantages
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#16 - 2013-10-29 23:43:24 UTC
Chessur wrote:
Danny John-Peter wrote:
Chessur wrote:
Kasutra wrote:
Chessur wrote:
**** Tier:

Zealot, Sac, Eagle

Zealot is ****?

Wat


The Nomen makes a better zealot, than the zealot. True fact.


hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

TII Resists more buffer and more DPS aren't important I hear.


More Speed, Smaller sig, drone bay, are pretty important in my experience.


Depends on what your flying it for, which is why making sweeping statements as you did is pants on head ********.
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#17 - 2013-10-30 00:38:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Chessur
Either way zealots are really bad, and are out performed by Nomens for solo / small gang and fleet. If you want to compare some fits, please start coughing up numbers, because a zealot is not getting 2X EHP. Infact the Nomen and zealot have extreamly simmilar base EHP. So please stop spouting the bullshit.

The zealot is outperformed by the nomen in the AHAC role and most certainly in the small gang / solo role, 100%. Run the numbers.
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#18 - 2013-10-30 03:30:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Bertrand Butler
Chessur wrote:


More Speed, Smaller sig, drone bay, are pretty important in my experience.


The Zealot has a substantially smaller signature, unless of course you fly them with ABs. Also ~40% more laser DPS at the same range is nothing to scoff at, as well as the effect of T2 resists on friendly remote repping.

Both ships have their uses.
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#19 - 2013-10-30 08:55:12 UTC
Chessur wrote:
Either way zealots are really bad, and are out performed by Nomens for solo / small gang and fleet. If you want to compare some fits, please start coughing up numbers, because a zealot is not getting 2X EHP. Infact the Nomen and zealot have extreamly simmilar base EHP. So please stop spouting the bullshit.

The zealot is outperformed by the nomen in the AHAC role and most certainly in the small gang / solo role, 100%. Run the numbers.


Hahahahahahah, again.
Both fits with Maxed Damnation, no implants.

[Zealot, somanly]
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Centii A-Type EM Plating
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

10MN Afterburner II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

84816 EHP
406 DPS Pre-heat.
84/84/82/90 Resists Preheat (Rounded Profile)
559M/S
Sig 125

[Omen Navy Issue, an Awful ABHAC]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Damage Control II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
True Sansha Armor Thermic Hardener
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

10MN Afterburner II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
[empty high slot]

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Anti-EM Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

61490 EHP
77/81/78/76 Resists Preheat (Rounded)
373 DPS Preheat With Drones (Which will die)
726M/S
100M Sig

Basically, the Oni gains some speed and a slightly lower sig for **** DPS, **** resists however you fit it and **** EHP, as well as terrible cap. However the speed and Sig gains are nullified basically by the fact that the primary is Going to be heavily webbed and painted in most fights.
Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-10-30 09:23:21 UTC
Anyone actually dared to undock and try the eagle yet?
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