Warfare & Tactics

So me and another Low Sec wanna-be buddy of mine want to start rolling around in Low Sec instead of high sec.
We're not going to look for PVP fights, but don't want to run either (unless we're completely out numbered).
The purpose is to find a nice home in Low Sec that is sort of quiet and do ratting, explore a little, etc..
We have narrowed the ship choices based on our interests (cool factor, skills, etc..). down to two.

Due to costs and utility, we're skilling for Mini's.
1) Fleet Issue Scythe ... love the ship for it's speed and fitting options.. Either Missiles or Auto's.
2) Cyclone .... cool ship for it's utility and have seen some nice fits with ASB., but slow in comparison to Scythe.

We had the idea to have the same ships to make our getting around a bit easier.... tackle, etc..

One can tank better, but one is a load faster.
Also, in practical Frigate killing, are RLML much better than Medium 425's.


Of these two, anyone have some additional pros and cons.

There are tons of ships, but can't fly them all just yet.

On the fence here, and we're deciding to skill for one or the other at this time.... you know BC Skill or Cruiser skill to V takes a while...etc.

thanks.

thanks for the reply..

It would seem spending time skilling the Cruisers first makes sense due to possibly going to a Loki in the future or other cruisers like a stabber.... the BC skill only takes you to two other T2 ships, of which I don't like either...

The biggest reasons for the Ships we picked (as you say) is the weapon highs with an extra slot for a cloak.
The cloak just seems like the coolest thing in Eve , ,.... sneaking around... you can at least go to the bathroom without docking up first... If you know what I mean.

thx... good ideas.

I've seen your fits for both the Caracal RLML and the Scythe Fleet and that's why we started skilling for it.
Only thing I noticed is how did you get such high DPS (380 Range) on your fits with RLML... I've eft'd it and come up with
about 330 DPS range with Warrior II's and 3 x BCU..

Must be implants..... ?

So, when you're a Internet-spaceship pseudo-intellectual sevant (a mental disability for those who're slow). You tend make absolute statements like a Uzbek slave picks cotton. Which is a lot I am told.

See, you can't help but vomiting curry chicken and potatoes with brown rice on EVERY subjective statement about a simulated spaceship game. Personally, I'd love to see said pseudo-intellectual focus all those brain cells on a productive mission. Be the first monkey.. Err HUMAN sent to mars. If he makes it then we'll send cripples like Stephen Hawking next. If not? Well, no real loss v0v

Anyway.

Vatski your reasoning is sound and the Cyclone/Scythe Fleet Issue combo isn't a bad plan. I've lead fleets were I have some hard target set in place (tanking, tackling and doing damage) while the rest of the fleet operates at range. Another example was a fleet where we engaged 20 battleships, 5 cruisers with 4 guardians IN 3 Moas (hella tanked),10 Nagas, 3 Basilisk, Rapier and 2 Arazu (damps). I told the Moas to warp in @ 0 while the rest of the fleet warped in at 50k. Needless to say they had issues breaking the Moa's while losing 2 guardians and 2 battleships in less than 2 minutes.

In a smaller setting I've used mallers or Moas to do the close range thing while the rest kill from range. We may or may not lose the ship but field tends to be a win.

Otherwise, many pvpers will do a Harpy at range and a hawk close range type sh!t. The concept works but of course skirmishing out of scram range is the prefered way of limited losses. Still going into balls deep range is fun. Like myself and a bro arch widow engaged a Gallente mil fleet in 2 Gnosis with 2xl asb's. They had like 16 total as well as 1 logi and 1 blackbird and mostly cruisers. Needless to say they lost the engagement.

So yeah. You're concept is NOT RET@RDED. All that's left for you to do is figure out setups and hopefully fly the ships well I suppose...

SO your out there looking for a new home in lowsec eh? Your best tool for this job is your map, not ships to scout with. The map is an invaluable tool, which is often forgotten.

Start out by opening it up, and going to the "filter" options. From there you can select different options to sort map data by. If you are looking to avoid pvp, and are more interested in ratting or exploration, you can easily find a lower traffic system this way by setting your filter for things like "active pilots in space and docked", "pilots in space last 30 mins", "ships killed in last hour" and "ships killed in past 24 hours". These will appear on your map as huge blobs. Just locate a system with fewer kills/hr, and that will give you a good idea of how busy it can be. Obviously you will need to check this over the course of a few days before moving there, but it will give you a great starting point.

Roaming around lowsec in two cruisers will not end well.

Im going to have to disagree with that. Even before I was red, I was engaged by almost every single pilot I encountered. The only people who wont fight you are the ones who care about their sec status.

One of the most powerful BC is horrible? lol. THen what are the hurricane, ferox, brutix ? These are all VASLTY inferiro to cyclone.

But othe only one I would put on same level as the cyclone is the prophecy.

Experts are calling it a closed mind.

Or experts are caling it practical experience, and know how.

And considering that i have quite a bit more small gang / solo experience than you, perhaps you should open your ears.