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Jessica Danikov
Network Danikov
#101 - 2013-10-29 02:11:18 UTC
I made a couple of diagrams to try and highlight whether SOMER blink and associated parties 'copying' them are RMTers. The whole album is here: http://imgur.com/a/ar0yI

Cross-posted from https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=290967 , see thread OP for more detail.

In short, I think SOMER are quite legit, at least by the current rules. I think what they've done has been quite enterprising, and the fact that it's based off of gambling is very EVE. I also think that they're a benefit to the community, encouraging people to use GTCs and give even more money to CCP than is necessary by subscription.

I'd love to see more competition in the space to dethrone them as the de facto monopoly in that space though. I think you're all idiots for gambling away your ISK, but EVE rewards people who take advantage of such people and this is no different. The GTC exploitation is quite valid and just SOMER being a victim of their own success
Frying Doom
#102 - 2013-10-29 02:16:43 UTC
Jessica Danikov wrote:
I made a couple of diagrams to try and highlight whether SOMER blink and associated parties 'copying' them are RMTers. The whole album is here: http://imgur.com/a/ar0yI

Cross-posted from https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=290967 , see thread OP for more detail.

In short, I think SOMER are quite legit

Except for the breach to the EULA I listed in the other thread.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Leigh Akiga
Kuhri Innovations
#103 - 2013-10-29 02:17:39 UTC
Jessica Danikov wrote:
The GTC exploitation is quite valid and just SOMER being a victim of their own success


Idk if making over $130,000 USD off a video game is appropriate in any universe, and then to be propped up and touted by the developer just reeks. I mean nobody even made that kind of bank in Diablo 3..
Grog Barrel
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#104 - 2013-10-29 02:18:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Grog Barrel
TigerXtrm wrote:
You know what?

Bravo. Bravo to SOMER for finding a loophole and making an absolute killing off it. I for one like to applaud someone with a sense of business. Not only have they found a way to legally 'sell' in-game currency, they're doing it in a way where most of the money goes straight to the developer.

CCP is not against players buying ISK with real money, let's get that straight. If CCP wanted to prevent players buying money they wouldn't have introduced PLEX. That was a very deliberate move to offer players a legal way of buying ISK.

The thing CCP has always had a problem with were the shady RMT dealers who were botting all day long, installing shady viruses and stealing peoples money in some cases.

So what SOMER is doing is nothing more than an extension of the already legal PLEX system put in place by CCP.

Many people say "Oh RMT is legal as long as CCP gets the money?!"

Yes. That's exactly the point. That's why CCP introduced PLEX to begin with. So that any players who wants to buy ISK gives their money to CCP and not some shady Chinese company. SOMER is helping that cause and getting a commission for it. They set up an amazing business venture which probably grew larger than even they could have predicted. And I genuinely applaud them for it. Good job guys.

And to everyone who is crying RMT this RMT that I would suggest to set up your own venture of selling ISK in exchange for people using your affiliate link. You're supporting CCP, yourself and the player. It's a win-win-win. There are no losers.

"But now EVE is a pay-to-win game!"

Don't kid yourself. EVE has always been a pay-to-win game. Every MMO has to deal with illegal RMT. In every MMO you can buy currency to improve your game. EVE hasn't been any different since the start. You think all those large empires in 0.0 were founded on hard work and farming missions? Don't be naive, please. Hell, most Titans in the game are probably entirely RMT funded. RMT was around in 2003, RMT was around up to 2007 and CCP took control of the RMT market in 2008 by introducing the PLEX system. Now it's 2013 and guess what? RMT is still around, even allowing players to get in on a piece of the action. The capsuleers are taking control, right?

So again; bravo to SOMER. Keep up the awesome work and may you enjoy the spoils it got you.


As far as I understand, if someone is willing to applaud blink, it should be because of his skills at "contacts" with CCP, since the exclusiveness of his deeds is rather the chicken of the golden eggs. A lot of other people knew about the hole, but had different response/treatment from CCP.

c/d?
Leigh Akiga
Kuhri Innovations
#105 - 2013-10-29 03:09:50 UTC
Grog Barrel wrote:
As far as I understand, if someone is willing to applaud blink, it should be because of his skills at "contacts" with CCP, since the exclusiveness of his deeds is rather the chicken of the golden eggs. A lot of other people knew about the hole, but had different response/treatment from CCP.

c/d?


It seems like people are bandwaggoning now and being shut down. Except for that one player in the Noizygamer blog. Obviously there needs to be some kind of blanket ruling that applies to everyone.
IDGAD
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#106 - 2013-10-29 04:33:44 UTC
It's really sad to see such sites being shut down with such an obvious double standard. What's going on here? First we see some devs giving away guardian vexors and ishukone scorps to blink, and now we see devs and GMs banning those who try to do the same thing as blink? I honestly don't know what to think at this point. Is CCP really involved with blink, or have they recently broken down completely and lost all sense in fairness and equality that EVE is based on.

EVE is about being harsh and unforgiving, but it is fair. It was designed to be fair in the truest manner possible. It is fair that if you fight in equal ships, the one with better skills will almost always win. It is fair that everyone has the same skill training time. But where CCP is starting to break the game is when they bring in these double standards which are blatant favoritism on the scale of the BoB BPO scandal and other horridly corrupt events. I'm starting to worry that maybe some of the devs left CCP because they saw what it was degrading into, and perhaps this is only going to get worse?

If we think back not too long ago, some of you may remember we had a similar issue with lack of vision and doing incredibly stupid things around the time Incarna was released. Afterword Hilmar apologized, CCP got restructured, and many were purged from the company. After that restructure we saw some amazing expansions with the vision and dedication to the game that we've always expected from CCP..... but now it seems like they are slowly diving back into that mediocrity with small patches and releasing content many don't really care for.
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#107 - 2013-10-29 04:42:47 UTC
I wonder how many of you blockheads gamble daily on that website and sink real money into it rather than going to a casino or race track where your odds are much better and you win real money.

Looks like some real shady sh!t to me and is probably going into some grey (or not so grey) areas of international gaming laws.
Ghost Phius
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#108 - 2013-10-29 04:59:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Ghost Phius
CCP is obviously involved in less than steallar business practices when it comes to obtaining/exploting additional revenue streams. In all truth we as a playerbase have NEVER had a reason to trust these guys since the old BOB days...NONE!

They have no credibility and the fact that they have been trolling us on this topic is just another example of their true contempt for us as a whole.

Scumbaggery for sure.
destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Rogue Drone Recovery Syndicate
#109 - 2013-10-29 05:37:38 UTC
Officer spawn belt 1 GO GO GO GO Shocked
Carrey Winter
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#110 - 2013-10-29 05:57:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Carrey Winter
Ok, CCP simple question:

Why was this closed, but somer is allowed to give tickets to lotteries for affiliates? And if the Nyx lottery was closed, why is paying out ISK directly tolerated instead?

If the Nyx lottery also allowed people to buy tickets for lets say 300m ISK - would it then be allowed? There would be no difference to Blinks model then.
Leigh Akiga
Kuhri Innovations
#111 - 2013-10-29 07:06:36 UTC
Carrey Winter wrote:
Ok, CCP simple question:

Why was this closed, but somer is allowed to give tickets to lotteries for affiliates? And if the Nyx lottery was closed, why is paying out ISK directly tolerated instead?

If the Nyx lottery also allowed people to buy tickets for lets say 300m ISK - would it then be allowed? There would be no difference to Blinks model then.


Clearly you havent contributed enough to the community like Somer.
adarma
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#112 - 2013-10-29 07:30:54 UTC
ISD Suvetar wrote:
Hi,

We understand that people are eager to discuss this matter; We (ISD) have decided to use this thread as a container so that people may post their views.

Please don't let this devolve into any kind of RMT discussion or otherwise, and we will let this stay open.

Thank you for your patience and understanding.




People are just worried that CCP swept this whole issue under the carpet and went total radio silence. Certainly, weeks of nothing happening should not be a good sign. It is a actually a pretty sure sign that they are hoping this issue to be dissolved into Rubicon excitement and that we simply forget it and shut up!
Frying Doom
#113 - 2013-10-29 07:49:34 UTC
adarma wrote:
ISD Suvetar wrote:
Hi,

We understand that people are eager to discuss this matter; We (ISD) have decided to use this thread as a container so that people may post their views.

Please don't let this devolve into any kind of RMT discussion or otherwise, and we will let this stay open.

Thank you for your patience and understanding.




People are just worried that CCP swept this whole issue under the carpet and went total radio silence. Certainly, weeks of nothing happening should not be a good sign. It is a actually a pretty sure sign that they are hoping this issue to be dissolved into Rubicon excitement and that we simply forget it and shut up!

That would probably be the case if this was a real expansion, like Apocrypha or Trinity.

But strangely after having spent 50% more on Development none of it seams to be making it to EvE. We are just getting a patch.

Well Dust, EvE VR and WoD should be coming on rather well.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#114 - 2013-10-29 07:55:41 UTC
Could totally-not-RMT drama be better than waffles?

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Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#115 - 2013-10-29 07:56:21 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
Could totally-not-RMT drama be better than waffles?

Why not have 'em both?

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Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#116 - 2013-10-29 08:00:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
Can puny mortals even call God unjust?

Isn't justice defined by the actions of God and our human conception of it just a flawed reflection of true (divine) justice?

What leg can you stand on when rebelling against the gods?

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#117 - 2013-10-29 08:03:34 UTC
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
How about CCP's new stance on completely ignoring their playerbase.


Bolded the word that made me chuckle. Cool

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#118 - 2013-10-29 08:06:24 UTC
Leigh Akiga wrote:

Clearly you havent contributed enough to the community like Somer.


Dude don't be so sarcastic!

When CCP says "community", they intend the shareholders community! Pirate

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Frying Doom
#119 - 2013-10-29 08:08:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Vera Algaert wrote:
Can puny mortals even call God unjust?

Isn't justice defined by the actions of God and our human conception of it just a flawed reflection of true (divine) justice?

What leg can you stand on when rebelling against the gods?

Lets not go down the religious path, how about we call CCP the King.

Louis XVI of France, sounds about right.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Jove Death
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#120 - 2013-10-29 08:26:44 UTC
Ok time to step it back a bit

I may be wrong but even SOMER chars havent defended themselves once in all of this. Which makes me wonder who is actually SOMER blink.

A corp of 57 chars of which looking and running checks on via EVE WHO (EVE WHO should have got some free stuff too) there start up dates and links via other corps ie Market alliance seem that there pretty much full of alts. There losses pretty much show just cyno alts.

So on the run down a couple of questions I would like to throw in the pot.

1. Who is SOMER run by and are they just alts of CCP. Im only pointing this out as they are not replying to any of the forums like the devs to defend themselves. Then again they maybe like the devs and have more important things to do than speak to us game players.
2. With the Ishkone giveaway how did CCP obtain the correct members who are actually active in game as they have stated this was rewarded to active gamers in EvE. Also how the hell did they get CCP Guards corpse to throw in with a blink.
3. On the part of the RMT does CCP have direct contact with SOMER on how they are running the show. And do they have access to these figures of how much RL money SOMER are gaining due to CCPs game.


With these 3 questions in mind in my own mind Im starting to think SOMER is actually run by CCP alts and is another way of generating isk. We all know CCP has alts that are running around in game with nobody knowing who or where they are.


BTW this is only an assumption Big smile

Quoting "you will die" in EvE is fail Chars dont die in EvE. Unless you have a heart attack eek.