EVE General Discussion

You know what?

Bravo. Bravo to SOMER for finding a loophole and making an absolute killing off it. I for one like to applaud someone with a sense of business. Not only have they found a way to legally 'sell' in-game currency, they're doing it in a way where most of the money goes straight to the developer.

CCP is not against players buying ISK with real money, let's get that straight. If CCP wanted to prevent players buying money they wouldn't have introduced PLEX. That was a very deliberate move to offer players a legal way of buying ISK.

The thing CCP has always had a problem with were the shady RMT dealers who were botting all day long, installing shady viruses and stealing peoples money in some cases.

So what SOMER is doing is nothing more than an extension of the already legal PLEX system put in place by CCP.

Many people say "Oh RMT is legal as long as CCP gets the money?!"

Yes. That's exactly the point. That's why CCP introduced PLEX to begin with. So that any players who wants to buy ISK gives their money to CCP and not some shady Chinese company. SOMER is helping that cause and getting a commission for it. They set up an amazing business venture which probably grew larger than even they could have predicted. And I genuinely applaud them for it. Good job guys.

And to everyone who is crying RMT this RMT that I would suggest to set up your own venture of selling ISK in exchange for people using your affiliate link. You're supporting CCP, yourself and the player. It's a win-win-win. There are no losers.

"But now EVE is a pay-to-win game!"

Don't kid yourself. EVE has always been a pay-to-win game. Every MMO has to deal with illegal RMT. In every MMO you can buy currency to improve your game. EVE hasn't been any different since the start. You think all those large empires in 0.0 were founded on hard work and farming missions? Don't be naive, please. Hell, most Titans in the game are probably entirely RMT funded. RMT was around in 2003, RMT was around up to 2007 and CCP took control of the RMT market in 2008 by introducing the PLEX system. Now it's 2013 and guess what? RMT is still around, even allowing players to get in on a piece of the action. The capsuleers are taking control, right?

So again; bravo to SOMER. Keep up the awesome work and may you enjoy the spoils it got you.

Now that, (other than the ending) I can agree too. Now I can sleep :)

I don't get this ... who gets it if it isn't the guys doing the Programing/IT/Devlopment or whatever you call it at SOMER.

Truly this is just a question because if I misunderstand who is getting the $ commisions it could really alter what a fair solution would be to cut the quid-pro-quo element out of it.

EvE is so real, it's exciting. ^_^

All this thread is missing is a wedding, a nightclub, a mortgage and a kickboxing girlfriend..

Nice business there... not only for-profit in-game, but even more so for-profit oog.

/c

Shame CCP had to ruin it.

That's why I'm thinking that it could all be above board IF at one point a player had a PLEX... and in game asset , to do what they wanted at their choosing with.

SOMER would need to be blind to the source of that in game asset... a PLEX.. without any knowledge of who sold the GTC the plex came from.

Somer could pay extra Isk for the ingame asset and give EXTRA isk to existing constomers ... customers of their LOTTO, not customers of their GTC store.

Obviously, SOMER would limmit how many times a player could get more isk from them... and they could base that on how much each player played their lotto and made them ISK in-game.

Why would SOMER agree to that ? By offereing the bonus only to players that already made them more isk than the bonus, they'd keep themseve from being expoited in terms of ISK. Somer would only make $ if PLAYERs (not characters) chose to make the out of game transaction with them.....instead of another seller of gtcs that could make the identical plex to be exchanged.

The reality is.. many players would have loyalty to Somer and buy their plex via their easy method...yet many players woule be loyal to their corps and buy gtcs and get the isk rebate from SOMER....who would only be rebating what the player already made for them from their house Rake in the lottos they participated in.

I know I'm repeating myself here.. but.. I really think it is a clean alternative that draws sharp lines between the in game and out of game assets.

wouldn't it be funny if it was ccp's plan from the beginning to just scam the **** out of all you people by purposely treating their customers in the manner they have and designing the game to extract the most amount of $. Indirectly and directly but it all ends up in their pockets in the very end. What if this is a giant CCP metagaming trick on all of you. Now that would be funny.

Everyone wants to talk about the real issue here, but no-one is allowed to talk about the real issue here.

Would be nice for CCP to just come out and make a clear statement. Just how long do they plan to just ignore all these threads? There certainly seems to be alot of confusing comparisons, SOMER is allowed, but this isn't, and yet they are the same thing.

With the amount of petty things the community has mass-protested over, I'm surprised this hasn't hit quite high on the scale.

Oh, and in before the lock.