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Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#41 - 2013-10-28 22:03:36 UTC
Dalmont Delantee wrote:
Baali Tekitsu wrote:
Dalmont Delantee wrote:


Again its pure jealousy, standard business practice if supporting those people who make you money.

As for the scorpions, there have been plenty given out to people not just somer staff.

BTW I have no affiliation with somer other than playing the game and being annoying with people cutting their own nose off to spite their face.


Only that in this case not SOMER is supposed to be making the money, but the player base. If theyre about to take SOMER as their main income stream, why should I be forced to pay a subscribtion? If not, why should there be applied different rules to SOMER than to me?


Sorry that makes absolutely no sense, please explain this in English.


No

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Movarer
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#42 - 2013-10-28 22:04:19 UTC
Baali Tekitsu wrote:
Movarer wrote:



Yes. Im jealous that I am not allowed to regain some of the money spent on this game while others are apparently allowed to.

His service has never been the issue, his revenue stream has. Is it not possible to run a referal without a reward? Can he not like E V E R Y other community service not do it without offering ingame rewards for out of game funds?

Would it be ok for lets say TheMittani.com to offer 100m isk if you donate 5$ for their server costs?
Would it be ok for an lowsec corps FC to offer 100m isk if you donate 5$ for keeping the mumble server running?
Would it be ok for a highsec mission runner to offer 100m isk if you donate 5$ to keep his PC top-notch?
Would it be ok for anyone to offer 100m isk if you donate 5$ for them to do a roam/mining op/whatever?
Would it be ok for me to offer 100m isk if you donate 5$ so I can pay my internet bill so I can continue playing?

Where is the line, who does create enough content in this game to be allowed to run it as a buisness? Its all we want to know.



SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH



Gaaah :(
Dalmont Delantee
Gecko Corp
#43 - 2013-10-28 22:08:24 UTC
Movarer wrote:
Baali Tekitsu wrote:
Movarer wrote:



Yes. Im jealous that I am not allowed to regain some of the money spent on this game while others are apparently allowed to.

His service has never been the issue, his revenue stream has. Is it not possible to run a referal without a reward? Can he not like E V E R Y other community service not do it without offering ingame rewards for out of game funds?

Would it be ok for lets say TheMittani.com to offer 100m isk if you donate 5$ for their server costs?
Would it be ok for an lowsec corps FC to offer 100m isk if you donate 5$ for keeping the mumble server running?
Would it be ok for a highsec mission runner to offer 100m isk if you donate 5$ to keep his PC top-notch?
Would it be ok for anyone to offer 100m isk if you donate 5$ for them to do a roam/mining op/whatever?
Would it be ok for me to offer 100m isk if you donate 5$ so I can pay my internet bill so I can continue playing?

Where is the line, who does create enough content in this game to be allowed to run it as a buisness? Its all we want to know.



SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH



Gaaah :(


Actually some of those things happen.

Have you never been in an alliance where there is donate and affiliation links?
Did this alliance give you a Ship Replacement Program?
Was this arranged through the alliance services?
There you are...
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#44 - 2013-10-28 22:10:44 UTC
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
How about CCP's new stance on completely ignoring their playerbase.


New? Are you sure?

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#45 - 2013-10-28 22:12:40 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
So much has changed in the last 2 years

CCP Hilmar wrote:
This we have done after months of research by a group of highly competent professionals, soliciting input and perspective from thought leaders and experts in and around our industry. We have communicated our intention here internally in very wide circles through the Virtual Economy Summit presentation at the GSM, our Fearless newsletter, sprint reviews, email lists and multiple other channels. This should not come as a surprise to anyone.

Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing. Having the perspective of having done this for a decade, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change.

We went out with a decisive strategy on pricing and we will stay the course and not flip flop around or knee jerk react to the predictable. That is not saying nothing will change, on the contrary, in fact we know that success in this space is through learning and adapting to _what is actually happening_ and new knowledge gained in addition to what we knew before and expected.

All that said, I couldn’t be prouder of what we have accomplished as a company, changing the world is hard and we are doing it as so many times before! Stay the course, we have done this many times before.


Oh wait no it hasn't it is the same crap as before except this time the CSM is siding with CCP.


That's a nice free trip to Iceland you've got there.. Shame if something were to happen to it....

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Movarer
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2013-10-28 22:15:11 UTC
Dalmont Delantee wrote:
Movarer wrote:
Baali Tekitsu wrote:
Movarer wrote:



Yes. Im jealous that I am not allowed to regain some of the money spent on this game while others are apparently allowed to.

His service has never been the issue, his revenue stream has. Is it not possible to run a referal without a reward? Can he not like E V E R Y other community service not do it without offering ingame rewards for out of game funds?

Would it be ok for lets say TheMittani.com to offer 100m isk if you donate 5$ for their server costs?
Would it be ok for an lowsec corps FC to offer 100m isk if you donate 5$ for keeping the mumble server running?
Would it be ok for a highsec mission runner to offer 100m isk if you donate 5$ to keep his PC top-notch?
Would it be ok for anyone to offer 100m isk if you donate 5$ for them to do a roam/mining op/whatever?
Would it be ok for me to offer 100m isk if you donate 5$ so I can pay my internet bill so I can continue playing?

Where is the line, who does create enough content in this game to be allowed to run it as a buisness? Its all we want to know.



SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH



Gaaah :(


Actually some of those things happen.

Have you never been in an alliance where there is donate and affiliation links?
Did this alliance give you a Ship Replacement Program?
Was this arranged through the alliance services?
There you are...


Did you really think that through?

Do you not see a difference from having a SRP (and I doubt any alliance runs a "if you didnt donate you dont get it" program) with a gambling site giving out extra credits for using their referal?
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#47 - 2013-10-28 22:15:34 UTC
okay we are not allowed to discuss RMT... still the business somerblink and ccp is doing is literally the aids rotten this game from the inside out.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Frying Doom
#48 - 2013-10-28 22:22:26 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
So much has changed in the last 2 years

CCP Hilmar wrote:
This we have done after months of research by a group of highly competent professionals, soliciting input and perspective from thought leaders and experts in and around our industry. We have communicated our intention here internally in very wide circles through the Virtual Economy Summit presentation at the GSM, our Fearless newsletter, sprint reviews, email lists and multiple other channels. This should not come as a surprise to anyone.

Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing. Having the perspective of having done this for a decade, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change.

We went out with a decisive strategy on pricing and we will stay the course and not flip flop around or knee jerk react to the predictable. That is not saying nothing will change, on the contrary, in fact we know that success in this space is through learning and adapting to _what is actually happening_ and new knowledge gained in addition to what we knew before and expected.

All that said, I couldn’t be prouder of what we have accomplished as a company, changing the world is hard and we are doing it as so many times before! Stay the course, we have done this many times before.


Oh wait no it hasn't it is the same crap as before except this time the CSM is siding with CCP.


That's a nice free trip to Iceland you've got there.. Shame if something were to happen to it....

Maybe they will try for an emergency summit, just to get another one Lol

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#49 - 2013-10-28 22:26:51 UTC
Dalmont Delantee wrote:
Actually some of those things happen.

Have you never been in an alliance where there is donate and affiliation links?
Did this alliance give you a Ship Replacement Program?
Was this arranged through the alliance services?
There you are...


My alliance runs donation drives to fund the servers that host our Mumble, which has proven to be capable of handling thousands of concurrent users, forums and other resources, with affiliate links supplementing those donations. These things are a massive expense, but nobody is given preferential access to ship reimbursement or literally anything else for donating to this fund.

Comparing donations to fund an alliance's web services to what is going on with Somer is more than a bit far-fetched.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#50 - 2013-10-28 22:28:20 UTC
Andski wrote:
Dalmont Delantee wrote:
Actually some of those things happen.

Have you never been in an alliance where there is donate and affiliation links?
Did this alliance give you a Ship Replacement Program?
Was this arranged through the alliance services?
There you are...


My alliance runs donation drives to fund the servers that host our Mumble, which has proven to be capable of handling thousands of concurrent users, forums and other resources, with affiliate links supplementing those donations. These things are a massive expense, but nobody is given preferential access to ship reimbursement or literally anything else for donating to this fund.

Comparing donations to fund an alliance's web services to what is going on with Somer is more than a bit far-fetched.


Maybe not in the case of SMA huh?

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Frying Doom
#51 - 2013-10-28 22:30:49 UTC
Dalmont Delantee wrote:
Non peed off comment now:

OK, as stated previously, many services for multiple different games provide affiliation or ways of making money off their links to the game they support.

Usually the money they make from these affiliations are not public knowledge, but they are obviously substantial as these websites and services are highly professional.

Somerblink provides a great service for those who want to use it (compared to some competitors it is highly polished and addictive) and so why is it anyones business how much money they make. Its good to see people are making money from supporting the game community they service.

For example - the GF has played sims for years and has paid for and downloaded sims skins from websites. These websites make money off things other people can easily do. That download bandwidth costs money, but I'm sure they get more than they need to cover it.

Also places like Wowhead etc support their communities and make money from it.

Is this a problem? No. Should it be? No.

Rather a big difference between, I get money off advertising and If you buy from us we will give you an in game advantage and the ability to waste thousands on gambling.

If Somer made a profit from selling advertising space to Google or a bank, that would not be a problem, the problems with what they are doing now however are

1) People are using cash to gamble with, with no governmental oversight, with some people spending 10s of thousands to gamble. With no hope of winning anything back, as it all becomes CCPs property the minute they cash out.
2) Buying GTC from Somer gives you an in-game advantage over buying a GTC on its own.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
#52 - 2013-10-28 22:39:42 UTC
I think WowHead sold for 1 million $ less than a year after some independant guys opened it.


I understand that the issue is the ISK rebates AND CCP - encouragment through gifts and other reference.


Is it fair to give players who create fan sites in game items ? It seems reasonable but as they referred in the sticky it was a new policy. Certainly Chirba deservers many dozen Prizes.. as do the guys who maintain EFT and EVE HQ etc.. many many prizes more than Somer ... but not necessarily $

As lots of guys still maintain those programs I hope CCP uses the new policy to recognize those generous people with in game gifts to.

In principle the gifts seem fair if Chirba , HQ, Evemon, and EFT volunteers get recgnized.


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The ISK incentive to make buy GTCs is very slippery.. I have another idea for that.

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Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#53 - 2013-10-28 22:43:04 UTC
Diomedes Calypso wrote:
I think WowHead sold for 1 million $ less than a year after some independant guys opened it.


I understand that the issue is the ISK rebates AND CCP - encouragment through gifts and other reference.


Is it fair to give players who create fan sites in game items ? It seems reasonable but as they referred in the sticky it was a new policy. Certainly Chirba deservers many dozen Prizes.. as do the guys who maintain EFT and EVE HQ etc.. many many prizes more than Somer ... but not necessarily $

As lots of guys still maintain those programs I hope CCP uses the new policy to recognize those generous people with in game gifts to.

In principle the gifts seem fair if Chirba , HQ, Evemon, and EFT volunteers get recgnized.


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The ISK incentive to make buy GTCs is very slippery.. I have another idea for that.


Unfortunately for those contributors CCP stated that they are going to review their policy regarding community rewards, which means they probably are going to have to wait a few seconds.

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Mara Tessidar
Perkone
Caldari State
#54 - 2013-10-28 22:50:27 UTC
ISD Suvetar wrote:
Please don't let this devolve into any kind of RMT discussion or otherwise, and we will let this stay open.


But Somer Blink RMTing through their GTC sales is exactly the point. Straight
Dalmont Delantee
Gecko Corp
#55 - 2013-10-28 22:53:27 UTC
Andski wrote:
Dalmont Delantee wrote:
Actually some of those things happen.

Have you never been in an alliance where there is donate and affiliation links?
Did this alliance give you a Ship Replacement Program?
Was this arranged through the alliance services?
There you are...


My alliance runs donation drives to fund the servers that host our Mumble, which has proven to be capable of handling thousands of concurrent users, forums and other resources, with affiliate links supplementing those donations. These things are a massive expense, but nobody is given preferential access to ship reimbursement or literally anything else for donating to this fund.

Comparing donations to fund an alliance's web services to what is going on with Somer is more than a bit far-fetched.


Not really I'm talking about affiliations and services.

Affiliations are to help keep a service running, however with somer the service is used by lots of people (and there is an incentive other than having good communications and great forums)
.
RAW23
#56 - 2013-10-28 22:56:24 UTC
Dalmont Delantee wrote:
Andski wrote:
Dalmont Delantee wrote:
Actually some of those things happen.

Have you never been in an alliance where there is donate and affiliation links?
Did this alliance give you a Ship Replacement Program?
Was this arranged through the alliance services?
There you are...


My alliance runs donation drives to fund the servers that host our Mumble, which has proven to be capable of handling thousands of concurrent users, forums and other resources, with affiliate links supplementing those donations. These things are a massive expense, but nobody is given preferential access to ship reimbursement or literally anything else for donating to this fund.

Comparing donations to fund an alliance's web services to what is going on with Somer is more than a bit far-fetched.


Not really I'm talking about affiliations and services.

Affiliations are to help keep a service running, however with somer the service is used by lots of people (and there is an incentive other than having good communications and great forums)
.


I'll admit to being ignorant on this. Is it plausible that Somer's web-hosting costs could run to 50k dollars a year?

There are two types of EVE player:

those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
#57 - 2013-10-28 22:56:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Diomedes Calypso
Here is an idea to avoid the Quid-pro-Quo

Let's say that Somer calculated the 20% cut they receive on each auction a player participates in. If Somer has a 20% rake, if the player has played in 5 billion isk worth of auctions, they would have 1 billion isk in "Rebate Points"

SOMER could pay the player 200 mllion extra out of that fund for every plex a player sold to them at a fixed rate.


Somer would hav NO requirement of where that GTC was purchased... however they Would only be able to pay the 200 million incentive IF I the player had made them at least that much ISK by participating in auctions with the 20% cut.


I could buy a GTC from my corp site... sell the plex i converted into to SOMER and get 200 million of my "commisions paid" back from SOMER


Somer would stand the risk of doing all that IT work for free.

However.. many people would still purchase the GTC from therm out of convenience.. not as a requirement to receive the rebate.
... only some people would buy the GTC from their corp to get the rebate of commisions they generated for SOMMER.


I think that would be open and fair ... support your corp or support SOMER at your choice.. but only get extra if you had let somer earn isk off you in the first place. !

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Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#58 - 2013-10-28 22:59:55 UTC
EVE:Online Vets Cash Out

or?

EVE:Online Somer and All Related Accounts Get Retroactively Banned


Middle ground is not going to work.

Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages.
Ace Boogi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2013-10-28 23:04:06 UTC
Eram Fidard wrote:
EVE:Online Vets Cash Out

or?

EVE:Online Somer and All Related Accounts Get Retroactively Banned


Middle ground is not going to work.

yup, what's good for the goose is good for the gander

if anyone has ever deserved a ban, it would be somer
Ace Boogi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#60 - 2013-10-28 23:06:32 UTC
RAW23 wrote:
Dalmont Delantee wrote:
Andski wrote:
Dalmont Delantee wrote:
Actually some of those things happen.

Have you never been in an alliance where there is donate and affiliation links?
Did this alliance give you a Ship Replacement Program?
Was this arranged through the alliance services?
There you are...


My alliance runs donation drives to fund the servers that host our Mumble, which has proven to be capable of handling thousands of concurrent users, forums and other resources, with affiliate links supplementing those donations. These things are a massive expense, but nobody is given preferential access to ship reimbursement or literally anything else for donating to this fund.

Comparing donations to fund an alliance's web services to what is going on with Somer is more than a bit far-fetched.


Not really I'm talking about affiliations and services.

Affiliations are to help keep a service running, however with somer the service is used by lots of people (and there is an incentive other than having good communications and great forums)
.


I'll admit to being ignorant on this. Is it plausible that Somer's web-hosting costs could run to 50k dollars a year?

who gives a **** what their server costs are? they run a website to make in-game (and out of game) profit, they are purely a profit-driven business. if they can't afford to run their business, they should shutter down.