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Ace Boogi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#181 - 2013-10-29 15:36:32 UTC
Leigh Akiga wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
I appreciate what Blink does for the community. What I don’t appreciate is that it’s not ok for an individual for raffle off his own in game stuff for profit yet this company can


Company?? Its one dude, ONE DUDE, or one girl.. behind a computer just like you. Who started a corp with a slick website using all the classic casino moves- they make it VERY easy to get in and difficult to get out. Casinos are physically set up that way. Ease of access.

And as far as 'doing things' for the community- they give away isk to incentivize the buying out GTC which generates the out of game dollars. So no, he or she is only cycling money. From you to her.

Pay people isk ingame- corpmates, to deliver prizes and such, start an alliance called Cognitive Development Network and make yourself sound like a company and the people will begin to believe it. Google cog dev and see what you get. nothing but the eve site and all its blinks winks bonks and giga blinks, nothing but massive profit generation.

They say: "Ohh look at all the isk we give away ingame.." that isk is given to incentivize buying GTC GTC GTC its all about the GTC and the referral.

i dunno if any of you guys stick around in their channel, but i do, and they are extremely arrogant and openly laugh at the playerbase. they basically see you guys as serfs.

when the SIW story broke, you know how they responded? by loling all over the chat and doing Scorpion blink promo chains
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#182 - 2013-10-29 15:37:53 UTC
I think it just needs to be explicitly stated that NOW I'm stupid jealous of Somer. I didn't give a **** about special scorps, but I could definitely make use of turning some of my spacecash into realcash.

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Ace Boogi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#183 - 2013-10-29 15:37:58 UTC
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
flakeys wrote:
Popcorn time ? Big smile


I'd say tax audit and gaming law violation investigation time...


I'd hate to really see it happen but with the "gifts" from CCP (which look like a bribe to change re-sellers now) and over a 100 grand in revenue? I hope everyone has lawyers and tight book keeping. I know the U.S. isn't very kind to people trying to get a piece of their lottery money and without a gaming licence?....ouch!

this is the part that i'm really waiting for tbh Twisted
Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#184 - 2013-10-29 15:39:13 UTC
RAW23 wrote:
Leigh Akiga wrote:
Ace Boogi wrote:
They're trying to play ignorant, just like CCP did for how many weeks now?


Weeks? Years. The crux of the controversy is that no one scrutinized any of this AT ALL until people started to copy the Somer business model, which revealed it to be a clever scheme generating massive out-of-game profits to the tune of $130,000 USD per year conservatively. How many years has Somer been up?


No, it was 135k over two and a half years or so, not per year.


On the other hand they had during that period of time the same kind of deal with Markee Dragon and probably even higher margins there, so I think its safe to say they made at least 3 times that sum until today.

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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#185 - 2013-10-29 15:40:57 UTC
Ace Boogi wrote:
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
flakeys wrote:
Popcorn time ? Big smile


I'd say tax audit and gaming law violation investigation time...


I'd hate to really see it happen but with the "gifts" from CCP (which look like a bribe to change re-sellers now) and over a 100 grand in revenue? I hope everyone has lawyers and tight book keeping. I know the U.S. isn't very kind to people trying to get a piece of their lottery money and without a gaming licence?....ouch!

this is the part that i'm really waiting for tbh Twisted

i dunno what is "U.S." (some tribe?) but good luck with applying your local tribe laws to international businessesTwisted

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Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
#186 - 2013-10-29 15:43:36 UTC
March rabbit wrote:

i dunno what is "U.S." (some tribe?) but good luck with applying your local tribe laws to international businessesTwisted

the EU seems to do it just fine Twisted
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#187 - 2013-10-29 15:44:24 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Popcorn time ? Big smile

*popcorn* Big smile

Signatures should be used responsibly...
RAW23
#188 - 2013-10-29 15:44:44 UTC
Baali Tekitsu wrote:
RAW23 wrote:
Leigh Akiga wrote:
Ace Boogi wrote:
They're trying to play ignorant, just like CCP did for how many weeks now?


Weeks? Years. The crux of the controversy is that no one scrutinized any of this AT ALL until people started to copy the Somer business model, which revealed it to be a clever scheme generating massive out-of-game profits to the tune of $130,000 USD per year conservatively. How many years has Somer been up?


No, it was 135k over two and a half years or so, not per year.


On the other hand they had during that period of time the same kind of deal with Markee Dragon and probably even higher margins there, so I think its safe to say they made at least 3 times that sum until today.


I don't think so (although I may be wrong). From my understanding of the sources they were exclusively with Shattered Crystal and then moved exclusively to Markee Dragon in exchange for a larger cut of the timecard value. I haven't seen anything to suggest that they were working with both at the same time.

There are two types of EVE player:

those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
Leigh Akiga
Kuhri Innovations
#189 - 2013-10-29 15:46:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Leigh Akiga
This is what its all about ladies and gentleman. Give away isk ingame, people gamble the isk, people run out of money. People click butan to buy PLEX. Somer gets paid (RL cash referral/affiliate percentage) CCP gets paid.

CCP props up and touts blink as a beneficient community org and gives them rare ships. Initially UBER rare ships to raffle off, all generating more hype, more buzz more gamblers, more clickthroughs and more dough for Somer, more dough for CCP.

THE WHOLE THING STINKS
Frying Doom
#190 - 2013-10-29 15:46:39 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Ace Boogi wrote:
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
flakeys wrote:
Popcorn time ? Big smile


I'd say tax audit and gaming law violation investigation time...


I'd hate to really see it happen but with the "gifts" from CCP (which look like a bribe to change re-sellers now) and over a 100 grand in revenue? I hope everyone has lawyers and tight book keeping. I know the U.S. isn't very kind to people trying to get a piece of their lottery money and without a gaming licence?....ouch!

this is the part that i'm really waiting for tbh Twisted

i dunno what is "U.S." (some tribe?) but good luck with applying your local tribe laws to international businessesTwisted

That is the joys of laws like this you don't. You issue warrants and if they are ever stupid enough to come into your jurisdiction you grab them. Also a lot of countries do not have a statue of limitations.

Also being classed as an illegal gambling site gets you blocked by a lot of countries these days.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#191 - 2013-10-29 15:46:58 UTC
RAW23 wrote:
Baali Tekitsu wrote:
RAW23 wrote:
Leigh Akiga wrote:
Ace Boogi wrote:
They're trying to play ignorant, just like CCP did for how many weeks now?


Weeks? Years. The crux of the controversy is that no one scrutinized any of this AT ALL until people started to copy the Somer business model, which revealed it to be a clever scheme generating massive out-of-game profits to the tune of $130,000 USD per year conservatively. How many years has Somer been up?


No, it was 135k over two and a half years or so, not per year.


On the other hand they had during that period of time the same kind of deal with Markee Dragon and probably even higher margins there, so I think its safe to say they made at least 3 times that sum until today.


I don't think so (although I may be wrong). From my understanding of the sources they were exclusively with Shattered Crystal and then moved exclusively to Markee Dragon in exchange for a larger cut of the timecard value. I haven't seen anything to suggest that they were working with both at the same time.


Well as I was using SOMER for quite some time I can say they had two links and I was surprised one was missing after I came back from a vacation.

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flakeys
Doomheim
#192 - 2013-10-29 15:49:37 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
I think it just needs to be explicitly stated that NOW I'm stupid jealous of Somer. I didn't give a **** about special scorps, but I could definitely make use of turning some of my spacecash into realcash.



I was litterally just thinking this.When i responded in the previous threads you had the 'lol your jealous' responses wich made me laugh as i got more isk allready then i need and even if i didn't it's only gamecash who gives a crap about that.

So now the rl cash gains is out you are free to resond to my posts by saying 'Lol you jealous flakeys?' , so i can say ' Why yes , yes i AM' . Lol

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#193 - 2013-10-29 15:50:04 UTC
Leigh Akiga wrote:
This is what its all about ladies and gentleman. Give away isk ingame, people gamble the isk, people run out of money. People click butan to buy PLEX. Somer gets paid (RL cash referral/affiliate percentage) CCP gets paid.

CCP props up and touts blink as a beneficient community org and gives them rare ships. Initially UBER rare ships to raffle off, all generating more hype, more buzz more gamblers, more clickthroughs and more dough for Somer, more dough for CCP.

and there is nothing bad in this story. Just well run business model.

Leigh Akiga wrote:
THE WHOLE THING STINKS

Only for jealous poor people who don't want to do anything to become richer and just want somebody to give them wealth for no effort

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Ace Boogi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#194 - 2013-10-29 15:50:18 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:

Also being classed as an illegal gambling site gets you blocked by a lot of countries these days.

I'm waiting for someone to meta-game this and report Somer

wonder how that audit and taxes will go for them...
Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#195 - 2013-10-29 15:52:40 UTC
March rabbit wrote:

and there is nothing bad in this story. Just well run business model.


Only for jealous poor people who don't want to do anything to become richer and just want somebody to give them wealth for no effort


And for those who want to do the same but get banned/their threads get locked.

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DNSBLACK
Dirt Nap Squad
#196 - 2013-10-29 15:54:15 UTC
"Their influence in the community is significant for the same reason that they are space rich - because they're good at what they do..."

1. They don't play eve they run a RMT out of the sand box auction house.

2. They didn't earn there isk in the sand box they pooled it with CCP help ( they make the tech cartel look silly). All other in game corps had to fight for there place Somer used the mob / vegas method and then started to buy off everyone so he could profit for real money.

3. Somer eve got people to believe they were a third party service LOLOLOLOL. now that was some funny 5hit. Most other groups build stuff to support the sand box TMC, EVEnew 24, Dotlan, Chribba sites and many more. Somer was ripping isk out of this sandbox and leveraging it to make real money.

4. Somer uses shills, ban people from thier site, get gifted by the CCP gods and yet there game and web site has no over seeing organization and they are 100% trust worthy?????

Conclusion - "they are good at what they do" ie. wrecking the sand box. The same sandbox CCP built 10 years ago with hard work. I have seen people come in and knock down walls and remove sand time and again. This community has help repair those walls and shovel the sand back in. How many more times CCP are you going to let companies like Marcees dragon and in corp organizations like Somer wreck your only money making game. Gambling sites like Somer need to have over site period so they don't wreck the sand box. no matter how much isk they throw around they are not good for eveonline.

I am sorry if this dosn't read well but you get my point.

Leigh Akiga
Kuhri Innovations
#197 - 2013-10-29 15:57:10 UTC
Ace Boogi wrote:
I dunno if any of you guys stick around in their channel, but i do, and they are extremely arrogant and openly laugh at the playerbase. They basically see you guys as serfs.

When the SIW story broke, you know how they responded? By loling all over the chat and doing Scorpion blink promo chains



March rabbit wrote:
Only for jealous poor people who don't want to do anything to become richer and just want somebody to give them wealth for no effort


Hey look, a member of The Cognitive Development Network
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#198 - 2013-10-29 15:57:15 UTC
So somer are no longer allowed to RMT?

Or is it just that other people who are using the exact same loopholes as somer are not allowed to RMT?

If it's the former, how long before this wonderful "legit" "community service" shuts down entirely.

What a joke. Somer never has been a community service - it was an ingame, and then also out of game, profit driven business.

this whole thing is a god damned mess.
Prince Kobol
#199 - 2013-10-29 15:58:00 UTC
DNSBLACK wrote:
"Their influence in the community is significant for the same reason that they are space rich - because they're good at what they do..."

1. They don't play eve they run a RMT out of the sand box auction house.

2. They didn't earn there isk in the sand box they pooled it with CCP help ( they make the tech cartel look silly). All other in game corps had to fight for there place Somer used the mob / vegas method and then started to buy off everyone so he could profit for real money.

3. Somer eve got people to believe they were a third party service LOLOLOLOL. now that was some funny 5hit. Most other groups build stuff to support the sand box TMC, EVEnew 24, Dotlan, Chribba sites and many more. Somer was ripping isk out of this sandbox and leveraging it to make real money.

4. Somer uses shills, ban people from thier site, get gifted by the CCP gods and yet there game and web site has no over seeing organization and they are 100% trust worthy?????

Conclusion - "they are good at what they do" ie. wrecking the sand box. The same sandbox CCP built 10 years ago with hard work. I have seen people come in and knock down walls and remove sand time and again. This community has help repair those walls and shovel the sand back in. How many more times CCP are you going to let companies like Marcees dragon and in corp organizations like Somer wreck your only money making game. Gambling sites like Somer need to have over site period so they don't wreck the sand box. no matter how much isk they throw around they are not good for eveonline.

I am sorry if this dosn't read well but you get my point.




Dude.. leave already
Leanna Dekara
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#200 - 2013-10-29 15:59:10 UTC
Leigh Akiga wrote:
This is what its all about ladies and gentleman. Give away isk ingame, people gamble the isk, people run out of money. People click butan to buy PLEX. Somer gets paid (RL cash referral/affiliate percentage) CCP gets paid.

CCP props up and touts blink as a beneficient community org and gives them rare ships. Initially UBER rare ships to raffle off, all generating more hype, more buzz more gamblers, more clickthroughs and more dough for Somer, more dough for CCP.

THE WHOLE THING STINKS

You're a little off there. The bonus is in Blink Credit, which then has to be turned into ISK by winning Blinks and cashing them out. Its not given directly in-game as ISK.

Butan is not what you think it is either. Butan was basically a riddle game they used to run from time to time, but it was stopped due to rampant cheating.

Just thought I'd correct your steering there a little bro.