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CCP - Why are Somer still in operation?

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#1 - 2013-10-28 13:30:08 UTC
Hi CCP
Recently a lot of people have been pointing out what is blatant RMTing, requesting Somer be forced to stop their RMT trade. Until recently you have not made your stance clear on whether this is RMT, but now CCP Falcon has thankfully cleared this all up.

If you see the post here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3792784#post3792784

And you see why it was closed (for RMT) then if you read the OP, and compare it to here:
http://cogdev.net/blink/?act=gtc you will see that this was closed for exactly the same thing that Somer is doing. That is, giving out tickets to in game items for purchasing GTC through a set authorised reseller.

So what is the ETA for the shutdown of Somer?

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Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
#2 - 2013-10-28 13:36:33 UTC
inb4 locked

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Jove Death
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-10-28 13:40:26 UTC
oh noes you mentioned the RMT word Shocked

RUN FOR THE HILLS \o/


Actually I would like to see where this goes before the lock aswell and all the other issues in the past 6 months

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embrel
BamBam Inc.
#4 - 2013-10-28 13:46:51 UTC
also: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=290777&find=unread

I mean, how can they have discussed the bad three letters when Somer ain't nothing to do with those same bad letters??
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#5 - 2013-10-28 13:49:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Xen Solarus
hmmm, interesting!

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-10-28 13:52:16 UTC
Xen Solarus wrote:

real cash via the legit ccp-created system, yes
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#7 - 2013-10-28 13:52:37 UTC
Yeah I know, but if CCP don't have the decency to give us an answer then I don't see why I should stop re-posting threads that have already been posted.
At the end of the day I'm going to continue until either they ban me, or they decide that perhaps addressing the concerns of their community is a good idea.
Honestly, it's been going on long enough that I don't really care which anymore. I've got GTA V to play, and by the end of the year 2 shiny new consoles. I'm certainly not going to sit in silence while they discriminate against the rest of the community however.

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Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#8 - 2013-10-28 13:53:28 UTC
CCP are so collectively dumb sometimes. lmfao

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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2013-10-28 13:54:57 UTC  |  Edited by: TigerXtrm
Falcon's response (instantly quoting the EULA) is interesting. Why is he able to come to the conclusion that this is illegal but it's taking weeks for them to come to the same conclusion with SOMER.

If you're going to randomly close threads and quote the EULA then answer our ****** questions. Why is CCP avoiding the subject when it comes to SOMER but instantly swinging the banhammer in all other cases??

Edit: Also, was this thread just closed and then ninja re-opened?

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IDGAD
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-10-28 14:00:12 UTC
This.... is rather disconcerting. From the looks of that guy who got banned for it, he was doing pretty much exactly the thing blink does. He was selling GTC codes and offering extra credit used to get in-game items. This credit can not be sold or converted back to real money, and could only be used for getting the in-game items..... this is EXACTLY what blink does. I always thought CCP was ok with this kind of thing as long as there is no way to convert FROM in game items back to real money. Since this is not doing that, and since this is pretty much like blink, I'm now starting to wonder what CCP is thinking. To quote one of CCP's Public Relations representatives from EVE Vegas, "It feels like I'm a mob lawyer; CCP tells me all the bad things they do, and I try to fix them" lol best way of putting it ever to show how really fudged up CCP is right now.
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2013-10-28 14:03:23 UTC
IDGAD wrote:
This.... is rather disconcerting. From the looks of that guy who got banned for it, he was doing pretty much exactly the thing blink does. He was selling GTC codes and offering extra credit used to get in-game items. This credit can not be sold or converted back to real money, and could only be used for getting the in-game items..... this is EXACTLY what blink does. I always thought CCP was ok with this kind of thing as long as there is no way to convert FROM in game items back to real money. Since this is not doing that, and since this is pretty much like blink, I'm now starting to wonder what CCP is thinking. To quote one of CCP's Public Relations representatives from EVE Vegas, "It feels like I'm a mob lawyer; CCP tells me all the bad things they do, and I try to fix them" lol best way of putting it ever to show how really fudged up CCP is right now.


Actually this guy nor SOMER are selling GTC's themselves. They are promoting the use of their affiliate link, nothing more. The GTC isn't actually bought from the person advertising or from SOMER so the whole "selling of GTC's outside of CCP created systems is now allowed" doesn't even make any bit of sense. The GTC IS being sold through CCP created systems. Not our fault that system is completely broken.

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Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#12 - 2013-10-28 14:06:45 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
CCP are so collectively dumb sometimes. lmfao


Sometimes?
Karrl Tian
Doomheim
#13 - 2013-10-28 14:07:40 UTC
Start a pyramid scheme and you'll go to jail.

Unless you're the U.S. government then it's called Social Security.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#14 - 2013-10-28 14:10:07 UTC
Remember the marketing CCP used to come out with, how anyone with enough will and ability could rise to the top of the heap in Eve?

Remember all the stuff about this being a "sandbox" where the same rules were equally applied?

Well, guess we are all created equal, with a selected few more equal than others.
Electrique Wizard
Mutually Lucrative Business Proposals
#15 - 2013-10-28 14:12:03 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Remember the marketing CCP used to come out with, how anyone with enough will and ability could rise to the top of the heap in Eve?

Remember all the stuff about this being a "sandbox" where the same rules were equally applied?

Well, guess we are all created equal, with a selected few more equal than others.


Ban all Goons, SOMER employees and miners.

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ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2013-10-28 14:12:33 UTC
Somer dont sell plex... they use third party that is perfectly legal, (dragon game time codes... or something). They then add on some out of game currancy to the transactions for going through them.

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Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#17 - 2013-10-28 14:13:27 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
Falcon's response (instantly quoting the EULA) is interesting. Why is he able to come to the conclusion that this is illegal but it's taking weeks for them to come to the same conclusion with SOMER.

If you're going to randomly close threads and quote the EULA then answer our ****** questions. Why is CCP avoiding the subject when it comes to SOMER but instantly swinging the banhammer in all other cases??

Edit: Also, was this thread just closed and then ninja re-opened?


It's CCP. As they continue to emphasize, they can and will do whatever the hell they like. The only reason they have to apply the rules fairly and equally is the good will of their customers. These last months have shown what little value CCP places on that good will.

So please, tell us, CCP (even though you have no obligation to): Will you continue to allow ToS/EULA-breaking behaviour in certain cases while cracking down on behaviour not even mentioned? Are you going to keep banning people who broke no discernible rule, just because you can? Are you going to allow Somer Blink to keep operating, just because you like them?

How about sales on gametime for only one country, excluding the rest of the world through your incompetence? Can we ever expect matching sales to appear for non-U.S. users?

The list goes on and on. You keep treating your playerbase like this...when we pay your bills. I'm someone who hasn't voted with their wallet yet, because I still like to 'play' eve. It's only a matter of time though, until no amount of enjoyment I get from the game can justify this kind of treatment. There are dozens of games out at the moment that deserve my gaming hours. Tell me: Why should I continue my 6 year subscription?


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Prince Kobol
#18 - 2013-10-28 14:24:52 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Hi CCP
Recently a lot of people have been pointing out what is blatant RMTing, requesting Somer be forced to stop their RMT trade. Until recently you have not made your stance clear on whether this is RMT, but now CCP Falcon has thankfully cleared this all up.

If you see the post here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3792784#post3792784

And you see why it was closed (for RMT) then if you read the OP, and compare it to here:
http://cogdev.net/blink/?act=gtc you will see that this was closed for exactly the same thing that Somer is doing. That is, giving out tickets to in game items for purchasing GTC through a set authorised reseller.

So what is the ETA for the shutdown of Somer?


As a few people may know I have often disagreed with Lucas in regards to Somer + RMT discussion.

However, I can not see why CCP have deemed this to be a violation of the TOS.

Other then the fancy website, the BL pilot is doing what Somer and a few others are doing.

You click on his affiliate link and in return you gain a ticket which is entered into a raffle to win a nyx.

I would love a more detailed explanation why this is a against the TOS where as its fine with Somer and what a few other people are doing.
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#19 - 2013-10-28 14:31:03 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Hi CCP
Recently a lot of people have been pointing out what is blatant RMTing, requesting Somer be forced to stop their RMT trade. Until recently you have not made your stance clear on whether this is RMT, but now CCP Falcon has thankfully cleared this all up.

If you see the post here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3792784#post3792784

And you see why it was closed (for RMT) then if you read the OP, and compare it to here:
http://cogdev.net/blink/?act=gtc you will see that this was closed for exactly the same thing that Somer is doing. That is, giving out tickets to in game items for purchasing GTC through a set authorised reseller.

So what is the ETA for the shutdown of Somer?


As a few people may know I have often disagreed with Lucas in regards to Somer + RMT discussion.

However, I can not see why CCP have deemed this to be a violation of the TOS.

Other then the fancy website, the BL pilot is doing what Somer and a few others are doing.

You click on his affiliate link and in return you gain a ticket which is entered into a raffle to win a nyx.

I would love a more detailed explanation why this is a against the TOS where as its fine with Somer and what a few other people are doing.


Regardless if you are anti-SOMER or pro-SOMER;

If the post made by Falcon is actually the mindset of CCP as a company then they have just given their verdict on this kind of RMT. Unless there is some minor difference between SOMER and this guy, CCP has just stated that the SOMER sceme is illegal RMT. Simple.

The next question becomes; why is it not acted upon?

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IDGAD
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-10-28 14:33:15 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Hi CCP
Recently a lot of people have been pointing out what is blatant RMTing, requesting Somer be forced to stop their RMT trade. Until recently you have not made your stance clear on whether this is RMT, but now CCP Falcon has thankfully cleared this all up.

If you see the post here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3792784#post3792784

And you see why it was closed (for RMT) then if you read the OP, and compare it to here:
http://cogdev.net/blink/?act=gtc you will see that this was closed for exactly the same thing that Somer is doing. That is, giving out tickets to in game items for purchasing GTC through a set authorised reseller.

So what is the ETA for the shutdown of Somer?


As a few people may know I have often disagreed with Lucas in regards to Somer + RMT discussion.

However, I can not see why CCP have deemed this to be a violation of the TOS.

Other then the fancy website, the BL pilot is doing what Somer and a few others are doing.

You click on his affiliate link and in return you gain a ticket which is entered into a raffle to win a nyx.

I would love a more detailed explanation why this is a against the TOS where as its fine with Somer and what a few other people are doing.


Honestly it seems as if CCP has lost it's internal structure or culture. There do not seem to be many limits or guidelines placed on what is proper and what is not. One GM/dev will say one thing is allowed while the other will go around and contradict it. CCP as a company seems to lack the structure it needs to be what it once was. Remember right after they reconstructed a few years ago and fired off so many plebeians that we got some AMAZING and FULL expansions? They were working with LESS and still got amazing stuff done. They only recently started hiring again at CCP, and it already appears they need another purge and restructuring.
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