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Meskiaggaseir
Doomheim
#101 - 2013-10-29 12:30:20 UTC
need more like fw , let the small guys have some impact too
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#102 - 2013-10-29 13:22:22 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
Yes, it needs to be completely rebuilt from scratch, with an eye to the fundamentals of MMO theory in general. Eve isn't the only game grappling with ideas like persistent universes, player controlled areas, mass warfare, etc. The first company to get it right will likely be at the forefront of the next generation of MMOs, despite what the "everybody wants tablet games with microtransactions for cookies" so-called game industry "experts" suggest.

The attention span of the new A.D.D social media adult requires games to be dumb down.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#103 - 2013-10-29 13:24:16 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Varius Xeral wrote:
Yes, it needs to be completely rebuilt from scratch, with an eye to the fundamentals of MMO theory in general. Eve isn't the only game grappling with ideas like persistent universes, player controlled areas, mass warfare, etc. The first company to get it right will likely be at the forefront of the next generation of MMOs, despite what the "everybody wants tablet games with microtransactions for cookies" so-called game industry "experts" suggest.

The attention span of the new A.D.D social media adult requires games to be dumb down.


So THAT'S why people afk mine in highsec. It's Facebook's fault!

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#104 - 2013-10-29 13:27:47 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Varius Xeral wrote:
Yes, it needs to be completely rebuilt from scratch, with an eye to the fundamentals of MMO theory in general. Eve isn't the only game grappling with ideas like persistent universes, player controlled areas, mass warfare, etc. The first company to get it right will likely be at the forefront of the next generation of MMOs, despite what the "everybody wants tablet games with microtransactions for cookies" so-called game industry "experts" suggest.

The attention span of the new A.D.D social media adult requires games to be dumb down.


So THAT'S why people afk mine in highsec. It's Facebook's fault!

Exactly....to give those that can’t do real pvp a false since of belonging and a chance to beat their chest.
Prince Kobol
#105 - 2013-10-29 13:29:44 UTC
I currently hate Sov. I hate the pre arrange fights that timers cause. I hate the grinding.

Yet, I have no alternative so I will continue until somebody comes up with a better solution.

A solution that doesn't involve removing timers as all that will do is give even more power to the largest and most powerful entities like CFC and NC.Dot.
Prince Kobol
#106 - 2013-10-29 13:32:14 UTC
Meskiaggaseir wrote:
need more like fw , let the small guys have some impact too


It wouldn't, again who has more numbers wins which to be honest no matter what method you come up with, it will inevitably come down to a numbers game.

Meh, I've just bummed myself out.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#107 - 2013-10-29 13:39:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Meskiaggaseir wrote:
need more like fw , let the small guys have some impact too

Yeah. Fweddit camping people into the station while amarr whips all the plexes and pushes the tier to max.

In fact, I was surprised to learn that while they also employ no fun allowed strategies... well, they rely on actually fighting now and then a bit more than we do. I suppose it's because they don't get to let it out on structures to the extent people in a sov war do.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#108 - 2013-10-29 13:41:18 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Varius Xeral wrote:
Yes, it needs to be completely rebuilt from scratch, with an eye to the fundamentals of MMO theory in general. Eve isn't the only game grappling with ideas like persistent universes, player controlled areas, mass warfare, etc. The first company to get it right will likely be at the forefront of the next generation of MMOs, despite what the "everybody wants tablet games with microtransactions for cookies" so-called game industry "experts" suggest.

The attention span of the new A.D.D social media adult requires games to be dumb down.


So THAT'S why people afk mine in highsec. It's Facebook's fault!

Exactly....to give those that can’t do real pvp a false since of belonging and a chance to beat their chest.


"sense" of belonging, first of all.

Secondly, I have never really understood why one of the foremost avenues of attack for the highsec miner is to call it "not real pvp". That has always confused me. I mean, by definition any activity you take against another player is pvp.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#109 - 2013-10-29 13:43:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Varius Xeral wrote:
Yes, it needs to be completely rebuilt from scratch, with an eye to the fundamentals of MMO theory in general. Eve isn't the only game grappling with ideas like persistent universes, player controlled areas, mass warfare, etc. The first company to get it right will likely be at the forefront of the next generation of MMOs, despite what the "everybody wants tablet games with microtransactions for cookies" so-called game industry "experts" suggest.

The attention span of the new A.D.D social media adult requires games to be dumb down.


So THAT'S why people afk mine in highsec. It's Facebook's fault!

Exactly....to give those that can’t do real pvp a false since of belonging and a chance to beat their chest.


"sense" of belonging, first of all.

Secondly, I have never really understood why one of the foremost avenues of attack for the highsec miner is to call it "not real pvp". That has always confused me. I mean, by definition any activity you take against another player is pvp.

real pvp is not anything which inconveniences them or otherwise causes them some sort of loss

when you really don't want to interact with other players there's no real pvp, just evil ganking, evil bumping, "griefing" etc etc

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#110 - 2013-10-29 13:56:13 UTC
Everyone knows that the only real pvp is honer dualz at the sun, no damps.

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#111 - 2013-10-29 14:11:36 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:

real pvp is not anything which inconveniences them or otherwise causes them some sort of loss

when you really don't want to interact with other players there's no real pvp, just evil ganking, evil bumping, "griefing" etc etc


Huh. Kinda odd that they play EVE then. I mean, that basically encompasses the entire game.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#112 - 2013-10-29 14:34:13 UTC
Removing the automated mails is a good first step. You have 24 hours to notice the [Reinforced xx:xx:xx] in local which should be enough warning.

If you have no-one in system for 24 hours or you have members who ignore the overlay then I think that's a good indication you don't want that structure anymore.

Allows stealth grabs of "sov' systems and doesn't over-complicate things. At worst you'll just have to have alts log in and check systems each day, if you can't organize that with a 10k to 35k coalition or alliance.. tough ship

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#113 - 2013-10-29 14:34:46 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:

real pvp is not anything which inconveniences them or otherwise causes them some sort of loss

when you really don't want to interact with other players there's no real pvp, just evil ganking, evil bumping, "griefing" etc etc


Huh. Kinda odd that they play EVE then. I mean, that basically encompasses the entire game.

That's just you overthinking player interaction in eve online

I suggest you take a look at minerbumpingdotcom, in which the code describes bot-aspirants

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#114 - 2013-10-29 16:16:33 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:

real pvp is not anything which inconveniences them or otherwise causes them some sort of loss

when you really don't want to interact with other players there's no real pvp, just evil ganking, evil bumping, "griefing" etc etc


Huh. Kinda odd that they play EVE then. I mean, that basically encompasses the entire game.

That's just you overthinking player interaction in eve online

I suggest you take a look at minerbumpingdotcom, in which the code describes bot-aspirants


For once, it was my sarcasm that went over your head. Or am I just being trolled again? I can never tell with you.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Kyle Sev
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#115 - 2013-10-29 16:28:20 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Removing the automated mails is a good first step. You have 24 hours to notice the [Reinforced xx:xx:xx] in local which should be enough warning.

If you have no-one in system for 24 hours or you have members who ignore the overlay then I think that's a good indication you don't want that structure anymore.

Allows stealth grabs of "sov' systems and doesn't over-complicate things. At worst you'll just have to have alts log in and check systems each day, if you can't organize that with a 10k to 35k coalition or alliance.. tough ship

I actually like this idea ^^ without the auto mail when somethings attacked the ll only notice when someone goes there. And if they want it they'll have atleast 1 member go there at some point in time :p
Atlantis Fuanan
Wormhole Research Inc.
#116 - 2013-10-29 16:56:19 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Removing the automated mails is a good first step. You have 24 hours to notice the [Reinforced xx:xx:xx] in local which should be enough warning.

If you have no-one in system for 24 hours or you have members who ignore the overlay then I think that's a good indication you don't want that structure anymore.

Allows stealth grabs of "sov' systems and doesn't over-complicate things. At worst you'll just have to have alts log in and check systems each day, if you can't organize that with a 10k to 35k coalition or alliance.. tough ship


Well yes, it would be a first step in the right direction. But it shouldn't be the ONLY step that needs to be done.
I approve any sov-change suggestion that causes a "sov-by-activity" playstyle.

[u]Things that would make EVE better:[/u] NRDS - Remove Local - Balance Cloak - Sov-Mechanic Changes - Less QQ
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#117 - 2013-10-29 16:56:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Kyle Sev wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Removing the automated mails is a good first step. You have 24 hours to notice the [Reinforced xx:xx:xx] in local which should be enough warning.

If you have no-one in system for 24 hours or you have members who ignore the overlay then I think that's a good indication you don't want that structure anymore.

Allows stealth grabs of "sov' systems and doesn't over-complicate things. At worst you'll just have to have alts log in and check systems each day, if you can't organize that with a 10k to 35k coalition or alliance.. tough ship

I actually like this idea ^^ without the auto mail when somethings attacked the ll only notice when someone goes there. And if they want it they'll have atleast 1 member go there at some point in time :p

Or perhaps reverse the whole process.

Instead of this:


Reinforcement
1. Shoot structure till reinforcement
2. structure goes reinforced and pops up system wide [reinforced] alert
3. Wait 24 hours
4. Shoot structure and possibly fight

do this

Energy Siphon
1. Drop a pos siphon-like device that drains the structure of strontium over 24 hours and immediately pops up system wide alert
2. Wait 24 hours and hope no one notices and kills your siphon
3. Shoot structure and and possibly fight

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Krimishkev
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#118 - 2013-10-29 17:24:40 UTC
This thread is ****, unsubscribed.

Grinding meaningless structures is the bane of EVE PVP, and people want to add more of them. You're idiots.
Kyle Sev
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#119 - 2013-10-29 20:16:51 UTC
Krimishkev wrote:
This thread is ****, unsubscribed.

Grinding meaningless structures is the bane of EVE PVP, and people want to add more of them. You're idiots.

.......
Not sure if troll. Or dident read the thread.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#120 - 2013-10-29 20:27:00 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:

real pvp is not anything which inconveniences them or otherwise causes them some sort of loss

when you really don't want to interact with other players there's no real pvp, just evil ganking, evil bumping, "griefing" etc etc


Huh. Kinda odd that they play EVE then. I mean, that basically encompasses the entire game.

That's just you overthinking player interaction in eve online

I suggest you take a look at minerbumpingdotcom, in which the code describes bot-aspirants


For once, it was my sarcasm that went over your head. Or am I just being trolled again? I can never tell with you.

Nope, I got your drift, I just decided to run with it even further

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?