EVE General Discussion

Requiring multi-pronged attack / defense would certainly make things more interesting, though it could just as easily complicate with no real change?

For instance, once a constellation is held, attacks must be coordinated against 3 blablablahs across 3 systems in the constellation.

This would seem sway things in favor of larger entities vs smaller on the offense just for having better numbers to draw from for a multifaceted attack.

But if all 3 need to be done in order for an actual structure flip, this would mean only one attack would need to go wrong or be repelled.

I mean the current system is so great we should probably just leave everything the way it is and add lots more structures, as the never-cynical Alvaria points out so astutely.

I rather like the idea that to hold Sov an alliance needs to be able to defend at all times, if they cannot then its ping pong time, would be a lot more fun then it is now. Personally I prefer the old POS system because the wars lasted a lot longer... Sadly I joined jus as the new sov system was put in, but I have talked to a fair few people who enjoyed the long drawn out ding dong battles over systems, do we ever see anything like the 6 months war between IRC/ED vs RA?

And make it so we can have multiple stations in system and that stations can be destroyed, and allow people to set up defences around stations, fun fun fun...

More structures can be good, yes, as it gives more opportunities for fights. Where it breaks down though, in my opinion, is the start-stop nature of timers. You start an attack on Day X but cannot continue that attack in that system until Day X+4 because of timers. Oh, the argument that timers gives the defenders a known time to form up is valid but doesn't really provide for any uncertainty.

So instead of timers which tell you when you can and cannot do something you make the attack an ongoing (and interruptible) process. Against my better judgment I'll post a concept though though I warn you this will be quite wordy (though

"Sovereignty" is a Concord sanctioned ownership. The TCU transmits via the stargate network ownership and system status to Concord.

When you attack sovereignty it happens not in any random system but starts at constellation gates. Attackers place a SBU (updated ones with a bit more HP) on each constellation gate in the target constellation. Like this constellation in Querious SBUs would need to be placed in P-ZMZ, UYU-VV, and 2 in VK-L690. SBUs 'block' the sovereignty control signal going to Concord which turns off the invulnerability status of all HUBs in the constellation...but they do not do it immediately nor continuously.

The SBUs (now massive objects requiring at least a Rorqual to deploy) immediately anchor. They require fuel to operate same as a POS but consume significantly more fuel to operate, so much so that either streams of Blockade Runners would be needed or regular visits by Orcas/Rorquals. Once fueled they begin to online (2 hours) and then the attackers 'link' the SBUs together via an item menu. Once linked they begin to actively jam the Concord signal and the invulnerability status is removed. HUBs can now be attacked and HUB/Stations follow their current process.

The SBUs are never invulnerable to attack. Not only are they open to direct attack, they can be hacked and they can be jammed by ECM. Hacking the SBU breaks the link to the other SBUs providing a temporary return of invulnerable status of all currently vulnerable structures in the constellation though no damage incurred will be repaired. Jamming is the 'quick fix' who's effect lasts just a number of minutes and is automatically 'repaired'. A successful hacking of the SBUS requires a 'counter-hack' which will allow the SBU owners to re-establish the link. The effect is a much longer duration for the temporary return of the invulnerable status. Hacking and Jamming attempts would need to be done by specialized ships & setups. Only when the last SBU is destroyed or offlined due to no fuel will the constellation be considered 'saved' and all progress of the attackers is reset.

The point of all this is to make attack and defense a continuously ongoing process and across multiple prime times and multiple locations depending upon the constellation.

No SOV is the best SOV.

So really, to protect your constellation, you need to pick one (1) system preferably one really in a corner somewhere, cynojam it, and then bubble it up and camp it.

Alternatively have a few ships with cloaks waiting around so your 5 guys can constantly hack random sbus all the time. If you can't somehow keep a freighter or orca out, then look for one of those systems and stage in it so that again, you can catch the orca or freighter carrying the massive sbu.

I love this idea.

In regards to the "sov should be about system control, not a name on the map" argument:

It already is. That's why small alliances become renters, because new footholds are impossible. The large alliances have effective control of their systems, and the surrounding systems, because they have the military to enforce it. You can claim sov all you want, but if you can't back it up and control the system, you won't have it very long.

So basically you're arguing for something that already exists.

I have no knowledge of how SOV`s run never even been to NPC null yet. But wouldent setting a limit on jump bridges help with that. Like jump bridges cant be set up with in 10 jumps of another for that alliance. I have no idea if this is a good idea or not just though id throw it out there and see what everyone thinks ^^

Since you need all of them, what you do is, start onlining a new cynojammer, just before it onlines (in whichever system works for you) jump in your big rifters and use it to kill the SBU. Then camp the gates.

This will stop any attacks dead against invulnerability. Ideally do this for each timer the enemy has. You probably should move your subcaps into the system in advance as well, this way you can 1. block the enemy and 2. do it from the safety of a probably heavily tidi-ed and bubbled up system where the enemy cannot jump or bridge in. (Jumpbridging reinforcements will still work, hopefully your staging system is one JB away and not also under tidi. Or it is the system you are defending)

oh 3. your sbu-killing and camping fleet will of course be avoiding the enemy's structure shooting fleet


Of course a smaller force ala Fweddit would be pretty stuck, but really who cares. It's not as if any major player would just cheapshot any timer and avoid fights unless extremely one-sided barrelshoots

More like collectively lots of "free" time.

Yes, the answer is to be a blobber. In fact, thanks to things like shield regen, you get increasing returns to scale, more people and less time per person is better than less people for more time, even before you recall that the enemy will try and intercept you.

Alternatively, find a way to motivate people. Getting enough people is a lot easier if you are, again, a no fun allowed never good fights blobber.

Maybe make TCU's like beacons in FW. The online time only counts down if someone from the dropping corp and alliance is within a said vicinity of the beacon.

Apply same to SBUs

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