EVE General Discussion

Your post is a good example of why engaging with a Goon is worthless. The post you have come out with is looking at things as individual items and also ignoring what I actually said, for example siphons, did I say that they would generate fights?

1. Well funny enough I have been operating in exactly that type of system, if its a myth then I am operating in a myth. Also please stop using that stupid word pubbies, it is a catch all word that shows the ignorance of the person using it more than the person that it is used against. Of course the space sucks to you, because you are operatring in a -1.00 or no worse than a -0.5, I have no issue in using very low level systems, in fact setup with an IHUB they still produce a good amount of ISK, been there and done it.

2. Siphons will not generate fights, that is for certain I have been in that thread, they are however an economic weapon and while you Goonies try to remove their effectiveness by your grief attempt, I hope CCP keeps them as they are so small entities can just go and keep putting them on larger entities Moons, you attack us, lose your moon goo income, Yarrrr.

3. I don't give a damn what Goons do or will do, the objective is making the smaller entities feel able to use them, I know that 5 minutes is still too long, especially when the ease of meta gaming makes spying so easy due to the accounts structure you have to cut that time for smaller groups to use them.

4. Rubbish, the fact is the mails make space to small, remove them and space gets bigger, and you will get more fights because people will try it rather than like now where people don't bother.

5. Did you read my post, I said nothing about jump range, all I said was limit the mass per cyno, I disagree with limiting range of carriers and dreads, however Titans and Supers I would cut their range in half.

6. Because I can and want to, do you know how boring it is to do level 4's and this gives people a chance to carve out space to fight for. Really you hardly read my post and what you did read you picked apart individually and made points I never made, the fact is its an attempt to make smaller entities chance their arm, it should have no real impact on such a well organised powerhouse such as the Goons and the CFC.

Yes people will, but there are others that will claim lower level systems, I have actually made ISK in one such system couple of years back. And as for killing a TCU, the TCU is still a major issue if you have to wait 5 hours for a SBU to online and you only have a smallish fleet, the objective is to make it easier for systems that are low truesec that people do not use, and they do exist, I have seen them in Goon space and elsewhere and have been operating in one the last week...

Yeah, and exactly what SOV holding alliance "only" has a smallish fleet available, and if they don't they have friends that do.

Not allaince is going to tolerate upstarts in the middle of their territory, claimed or otherwise, the exception being NPC pockets, and that is only because they can't be forcibly removed.



It was your argument dude.

Not to mention you held a couple system in Delve.....which you were removed from by April, as far as I know CFC had no major actions going on down there are that point. There may have been a couple corp/squad deployments, but if you think that was the "CFC Coalition" in any sort of force I have a bridge to sell you.

But the changes I have suggested would create the pain in the butt alliances that don't give up, which is what I am pushing, imagine more than one of these types nibbling at your low level systems, fun for all, but then again you don't want fun do you, so speaks a member of the coalition that was pushing to be able to impact NPC stations so people could not base there. We can see why FA would not like this to happen as you already have these pain in the butt alliances in Fountain.

20 Dreads, I cannot see anywhere that I mentioned 20 dreads apart from replying to you.

Not Delve, Querious and it was two smaller CFC alliances sent to deal with us directly, so you can keep the bridge...

If we change this game mechanic in my favour everyone except me will continue to act exactly as they do now and I will surely reap all the rewards!

You are right it wasn't you....posts got crossed
....the last time you owned a system in Querious was in the 2011 I don't even remember who held that back that far.

Actually I found it, looks like Quer was held by Atlas at the time, not sure where you got that it was my coalition, I was never in Atlas. Fail and Nullli were in the neighborhood as well, but of them only Nulli still exists.


Not to mention all of the "pain in the butt" allainces in Fountain are no more than a minor annoyance they aren't a threat to anything, they aren't dropping SBUs, they RF a tower on occasion, and make rep JBs repeatedly. Just free targets as far as I'm concerned. They are quickly getting to MOA level, you never see them in anything but bombers or sniper nagas. Not exactly what I would call a threat.

I support this because our tolerance for tedium is S-ranked, and we will expand our blue donut.

When I first started playing this game I came across a lot of players who had been involved in long drawn out wars where they the lessor party resisted for months and had some great fights, and yet now, everything collapses like a pack of cards. Its the sov system stupid. Jenn put me right on the POS side of things, because I did not actually play in 0.0 when that was there, it changed just after I started playing. The thing you are missing is that that low level system which you hold and never go to, someone else would like it as a home if they could. In fact having that system have someone in it with the desire to hold it will produce more fights and more fun, but fun is not something your group wants for anyone but yourselves. It is not a case of deserve, its more like a mechanic to make it more likely to be fought over. I know that I can make ISK out of bad space with an IHUB in, I have actually done it. The attempt is to make unproductive space not worth holding for those that make no effort to hold it outside of just sticking a sov module on it, like the system I am in at the moment... Anyway my ideas are not bad, your just blind to having Eve on easy mode.


Onictus, my alliance started killing the Goon campers that were going after the renters in our constellation during the freeport Delve campaign, their brief was to attack Atlas renters, we chased them off and blew up their bubbles, we obviously got noticed because next thing we know we have Convicted and the Foresaken dropped on us, including war decs to try to remove us from our space, both CFC alliances at that time. As for the pain in the butt alliances, just think with the mechanics adjusted as I put forward some of them might actually start going after lower used systems, basically because they could. As for them being in bombers and sniper BC's, yeah, its what you have to do when outnumbered, but I don't expect them to give up and enither should you.


Jenn, OK good, np, I was hoping you were not referring to my ideas.

We have plenty going for our lower used systems anyway, none so ballsy as to drop an SBU, but they are giving us plenty to do.

....well were, they haven't been nearly as froggy lately.

Then all credit to you as a player, so do you ever wonder what it would have been like early on with the current sov system with BOB having such a capital advantage. Yes the Goons deserve their success, but here is the rub, a lot of people join the Goons because you have space and a stonking ship replacement setup, for many of them this is Eve on easy, all they have to do is get the ship and afterwards its covered, not so the up and coming groups, so people give you more numbers because of that. Yes you deserve your success, but the game needs to evolve and having a stale 0.0 in terms of smaller more enjoyable fights is an issue for Eve.

EDIT: Do you seriously think you would have beaten BOB with the current Sov system, because I seriously don't think you would have!