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The kings are dead, the rest are just farmers.

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Pobunjenik
Resbroko Liberation Fleet
#81 - 2013-10-28 14:10:18 UTC
Witchway wrote:
Pobunjenik wrote:
To be precise, the grand total of ships on each side was 23. I recorded the fight (it will be published on YT if my directors allow it). HK would have fielded more ships if we hadn't messed up their K162, and we thought they would - so we got ready.

Frankly, I was sort of disappointed. I expected a 2h frenzy.

Maybe next time?

what if I told you a US TZ corp doesn't field more ships in EU TZ................

I am curious how you massed the hole, our scout says nothing came through but clearly something did....

I need to know who to yell at, that is all.

:)


What if I told how the **** was I supposed to know how many of you are online? :D

As for the hole, we shot at the hole for 30 minutes. The amount of ammo collapsed the hole. True story
Dmitry Wizard
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#82 - 2013-10-28 15:09:06 UTC
I think borsek is right. The cycle will always continue. Wspace is not null sec. The power blocs always seem to spike up then fade away as new younger powers rise up and in turn fade away. Some even fade away then rise back up (Boris seems to be doing so). People become bored with stagnation and seek out new ways to play the game or new ways to become a power house somewhere else. Either low sec small gang pvp or become gypsies living deployment to deployment. CCP NEEDS to "fix" wormhole space. It's a part of their game people love. I personally, will NEVER go back to empire I love the unknown in wspace. But as soon as it stops being unknown and I become too comfortable with wspace it will lose it luster and I too will seek out greener pastures. My corp has had to move 3 times in the last year due to this from c2 to c5-c4 to c5-c3 and now to c6-c6. The c6 choice was scrutinized by every member if my alliance but 3 and no one wanted to do it. We had grown stagnant and activity was plummeting. It's becoming harder and harder to create "new" content. People are getting bored it's that simple. We need an overhaul and we need it badly. CCP needs to take some pride in their work and do something for the game. Do something for wspace before it becomes "not worth the trouble" to live there.

On a semi unrelated note. Which developers are the ones to talk to. Maybe we as the wormhole population need to go above our CSM's and start sending mails. The outcries haven't been heard in a long time. Maybe instead of waiting for our dev in shining armor we go find tem and show them that this needs to be taken at least semi seriously on an at least semi professional level

My uncoordinated two cents

"Wormhole corps are like a bunch of homeschooled kids"
M Thomas
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
#83 - 2013-10-28 16:06:30 UTC
Of the 2,500 wormholes, how many does the biggest alliance "own"?
Xar Pahineh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#84 - 2013-10-28 16:07:57 UTC
Dmitry Wizard wrote:
I think borsek is right. The cycle will always continue. Wspace is not null sec. The power blocs always seem to spike up then fade away as new younger powers rise up and in turn fade away. Some even fade away then rise back up (Boris seems to be doing so). People become bored with stagnation and seek out new ways to play the game or new ways to become a power house somewhere else. Either low sec small gang pvp or become gypsies living deployment to deployment. CCP NEEDS to "fix" wormhole space. It's a part of their game people love. I personally, will NEVER go back to empire I love the unknown in wspace. But as soon as it stops being unknown and I become too comfortable with wspace it will lose it luster and I too will seek out greener pastures. My corp has had to move 3 times in the last year due to this from c2 to c5-c4 to c5-c3 and now to c6-c6. The c6 choice was scrutinized by every member if my alliance but 3 and no one wanted to do it. We had grown stagnant and activity was plummeting. It's becoming harder and harder to create "new" content. People are getting bored it's that simple. We need an overhaul and we need it badly. CCP needs to take some pride in their work and do something for the game. Do something for wspace before it becomes "not worth the trouble" to live there.

On a semi unrelated note. Which developers are the ones to talk to. Maybe we as the wormhole population need to go above our CSM's and start sending mails. The outcries haven't been heard in a long time. Maybe instead of waiting for our dev in shining armor we go find tem and show them that this needs to be taken at least semi seriously on an at least semi professional level

My uncoordinated two cents


very well written and I agree with you. Let's send e-mails and get content improved. We're a c5 / c5 corp, however most of our pew comes from null roams. It's sad as I do believe better fights come from other wormholers than null roams (there have been some good ones tho). something to be said with no local to count #'s and cov-ops / cloaky nullies / stealth bombers can actually be used strategically to get good fights or turn the tide when you are overwhelmed...

I would love to get a dev's point of view here on where eve will be going next year for wormhole life.
Sushi Nardieu
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#85 - 2013-10-28 16:18:40 UTC
M Thomas wrote:
Of the 2,500 wormholes, how many does the biggest alliance "own"?


Hardly think comparing SOV and W-space is representative of power.

The Guns of Knowledge 
Dmitry Wizard
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#86 - 2013-10-28 16:32:14 UTC
Ok, here's a thought and a challenge to CCP. Get a dev and some decently knowledgeable people from wormhole space. WHO ARE ACTUALLY FIGHTING TO MAKE WH SPACE BETTER. Get them on a pod cast or some kind of public outlet and hash this out bring them in corner them and get some answers and some solutions. Let's have a chit chat and help them make the game better if they can't do it on their own. We all have good ideas I'm sure. We need them to listen.

"Wormhole corps are like a bunch of homeschooled kids"
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#87 - 2013-10-28 16:56:05 UTC
Sushi Nardieu wrote:
M Thomas wrote:
Of the 2,500 wormholes, how many does the biggest alliance "own"?


Hardly think comparing SOV and W-space is representative of power.



Wormholes score higher than SOV-null regarding *how real is your territorial claim, and how well can it be felt 4 systems away*.
Your chain is usually only *this* long, and most people notice wether or not they share a pool with bigger fish. I usually feel like floating bacteria, must say.

In null, the feeling is more that of *peeing into someones pond* - whereas going into a wormhole inhabited by people even willing to put up their own TCU feels way more like poking a not necessarily friendly hive of killerbees (not always, but often enough).

And no matter how hard people accuse each other of risk aversion inside the wormhole community, it's still lightyears from the level of risk aversion you got everywhere in null, left aside maybe curse and syndicate for the time being. I had people engaging ma sleip with tengu/proteus only. I got into fights with a small gang and they didn't decloak a falcon, and his backup-falcon, and the backup-falcon's backup-falcon like you are used to when engaging a rifter + sabre on a normal gate in null.

In short: W-space awesome, if you don't get fights with your fleet inside wormholes, you probably won't get them outside either (slaughtering T1 cruiser/BC/BS fleets with strats+guards just doesn't count, no matter your numbers disadvantage... I atleast would rather adress that as *hey check how we ganked their 70man BC fleet with our 30man T3 fleet*)

regards
Rall Mekin
End-of-Line
#88 - 2013-10-28 17:50:23 UTC
Xar Pahineh wrote:
Dmitry Wizard wrote:
I think borsek is right. The cycle will always continue. Wspace is not null sec. The power blocs always seem to spike up then fade away as new younger powers rise up and in turn fade away. Some even fade away then rise back up (Boris seems to be doing so). People become bored with stagnation and seek out new ways to play the game or new ways to become a power house somewhere else. Either low sec small gang pvp or become gypsies living deployment to deployment. CCP NEEDS to "fix" wormhole space. It's a part of their game people love. I personally, will NEVER go back to empire I love the unknown in wspace. But as soon as it stops being unknown and I become too comfortable with wspace it will lose it luster and I too will seek out greener pastures. My corp has had to move 3 times in the last year due to this from c2 to c5-c4 to c5-c3 and now to c6-c6. The c6 choice was scrutinized by every member if my alliance but 3 and no one wanted to do it. We had grown stagnant and activity was plummeting. It's becoming harder and harder to create "new" content. People are getting bored it's that simple. We need an overhaul and we need it badly. CCP needs to take some pride in their work and do something for the game. Do something for wspace before it becomes "not worth the trouble" to live there.

On a semi unrelated note. Which developers are the ones to talk to. Maybe we as the wormhole population need to go above our CSM's and start sending mails. The outcries haven't been heard in a long time. Maybe instead of waiting for our dev in shining armor we go find tem and show them that this needs to be taken at least semi seriously on an at least semi professional level

My uncoordinated two cents


very well written and I agree with you. Let's send e-mails and get content improved. We're a c5 / c5 corp, however most of our pew comes from null roams. It's sad as I do believe better fights come from other wormholers than null roams (there have been some good ones tho). something to be said with no local to count #'s and cov-ops / cloaky nullies / stealth bombers can actually be used strategically to get good fights or turn the tide when you are overwhelmed...

I would love to get a dev's point of view here on where eve will be going next year for wormhole life.


We looked closely at joining -EOL into Ragnarok. Dmitry is a good, brilliant guy with guts and balls to lead, and considering his group was one very rare exception to our "no Alliance" policy in corp direction. Doing anything with him or against him should be a PVP pleasure time with lots of shooting and non-risk aversion.
Dmitry Wizard
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#89 - 2013-10-28 17:55:30 UTC
I still think you guys should join us. Were having a lot of fun out in c6 space. Illusion of solitude lemminged a t3 fleet into us on a hisec k162 the other day. They were promptly shown the exit and the alpha power held by a magnetar c6

"Wormhole corps are like a bunch of homeschooled kids"
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#90 - 2013-10-28 18:28:51 UTC
Dmitry Wizard wrote:
I still think you guys should join us. Were having a lot of fun out in c6 space. Illusion of solitude lemminged a t3 fleet into us on a hisec k162 the other day. They were promptly shown the exit and the alpha power held by a magnetar c6


So you're on your way to become the next lastchancers I guess Roll
Dmitry Wizard
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#91 - 2013-10-28 18:36:17 UTC
I dunno if is go THAT far. We don't spread ourselves across wormhole space. Nor do we only fleet up once every 3 weeks for pvp... Scott's a good dude. But we were with them before I started ragnarok. And all I ever saw for fleets was pve. Too slow for my likings. We gonna pick up maybe 3 or so more corps and focus on the main guys. We only have 1 alt corp as far as I'm aware. Some Guys who aren't active who will be leaving soon. I want c6 space to e fun again. The more c6 holes with decent statics I find I'm gonna try and give to more pvp corps. Get populated out here so it isn't just noho SYJ?(I think they still live out here) and SSC. so far we've only run into NOHO twice

"Wormhole corps are like a bunch of homeschooled kids"
TXG SYNC
Dad Jokes R Us
#92 - 2013-10-28 19:00:24 UTC  |  Edited by: TXG SYNC
Dmitry Wizard wrote:
Illusion of solitude lemminged a t3 fleet into us on a hisec k162 the other day. They were promptly shown the exit and the alpha power held by a magnetar c6


But we have a lot of fun getting whelped! Just gotta go back to PvE stuff for a week or so to make up for the losses and then we can field a ripe fleet of targets again.

Because we're so terrible at Eve, this little video is pretty much our alliance motto: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p_eKV3SzwE

Truly, our alliance seems to do best in our small gangs (2-4 guys)... whenever we get the whole alliance together, it's like we're cruising for a dunking. But we're learning!
Incindir Mauser
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#93 - 2013-10-28 19:52:01 UTC
QT McWhiskers wrote:
So umm... WTF W-space (the region, not Mister als group ill get to you later)

The long standing "kings" are all but dead. Aharm joined Noho, narwhals/exhale/whatever they call themselves are so splintered that they dont even matter anymore, SYJ... and thats all I really have to say on that one.

Seriously W-space what in the hell happened? I go away for two months to play ffxiv and I find that the only people left are either blue(ish) or are in a completely different time zone that no amounts of poorly translated borat quotes could get them to fight.

W-space (the alliance) keep getting dunked on.

Whale girth was fun, but that was a farming fleet we dropped on. (hilariously I might add)

So here I am, no trolling, no games, issuing a challenge to all of W-space. Next time any of you, find anyone else of you. Dont roll instantly wanting to run that instrumental in your hole, or pretend to all be asleep cause you only have 7 people on. Come out, and fight. Skillian Verge, a group that HK alone completely dwarfs, saw us, saw our numbers and got bait ready hoping we would take it. (Never not take bait unless its an orca scanning on a hole cause thats bitten) And they rightly dunked us hard.

More groups if Skylian Verge can do this, any of you can.

So my challenge is clear. Next time any of you major groups see of the other major groups, come out and fight. Do us all a giant favor and bring back the content to WH space. Dont just roll your hole hoping no one saw you.


Came expecting epic QT troll. Did not leave disappointed.

Confirming that blueing up to too many people starves your for targets to shoot.

Also: Dirty blobbers complaining that nobody is willing to whelp fleets into them like lemmings.

Too many blues. Not enough kitchen sink.

Arget is correct in his deductions. W-space has become entirely too domesticated.

Bradford Clear
Stain Train
Good Sax
#94 - 2013-10-28 20:07:25 UTC
I remember the day I gave up on wormhole space. When I jumped into a hole solo and found a fleet with 30
Members bashing a tower. They saw me on a wormhole and immediately retreated. Needless to say all of syj got tired of the blue balling in wspace and the lack of fights. Wormholes are dead all of them. If you actually killed the farmers like BU Does it could be exciting. But I don't have the patience for it nor the time.

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Dmitry Wizard
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#95 - 2013-10-28 20:24:20 UTC
TXG SYNC wrote:
Dmitry Wizard wrote:
Illusion of solitude lemminged a t3 fleet into us on a hisec k162 the other day. They were promptly shown the exit and the alpha power held by a magnetar c6


But we have a lot of fun getting whelped! Just gotta go back to PvE stuff for a week or so to make up for the losses and then we can field a ripe fleet of targets again.

Because we're so terrible at Eve, this little video is pretty much our alliance motto: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p_eKV3SzwE

Truly, our alliance seems to do best in our small gangs (2-4 guys)... whenever we get the whole alliance together, it's like we're cruising for a dunking. But we're learning!



I like you guys I even tried speaking to your alliance leadership about getting you guys into c6 space

"Wormhole corps are like a bunch of homeschooled kids"
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
#96 - 2013-10-28 21:00:08 UTC
Ok so all these post and stuff are TL;DR...

WH corps are awesome. We blind you with Awesomeness. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g700JxCnQTk (40 secs in)

AKA the scientist.

Death and Glory!

Well fun is also good.
Dmitry Wizard
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#97 - 2013-10-28 21:54:30 UTC
Its not about being awesome. its about everyone failing. it doesnt even have anything to do with them being bad either which is the sad part. SYJ are good at what they do and they are leaving wormholes more and more. its getting harder and harder to be a pvp focused group and survive out here keeping member participation up. its almost like (dare i say it) CCP intended for wormholes to be an indy thing..... I keep telling my guys "if youre bored out here youre doing it wrong" that statement has become a fallacy

I dont want it to turn into "wormholes need more love than the rest of eve' because the rest of eve is in need of a bit of re-balance too.

The rise of the "coalition" in null sec needs to be resolved those guys need more content too. a constant conflict driver. lets face it, the moon reshuffle and rebalance was a 60 day conflict driver and look what happened there (sorry TEST, CCP screwed you) Make Null easier for the little guys to get a foot hold and actually take some space. some anchorable modules that prevented the systems jump gates from allowing more people than X and a jump bridge jammer let the little guys start messing with the big guys

give low sec a content driver. make regions worth "holding" not in a sov sense but in a resource sense. if so many of your alliance are with x jumps your pos's mine more goo or your reactions are stronger ore more gas appears SOMETHING ANYTHING.

hi sec in my opinion doesnt need to be changed that much. there is still content there. wars incursions missions all that provides content for the less "hard core" gamers who want to relax and just play a game

WH is in need of many things. CCP never intended for wormholes to liveable or for people to live there at all.. Guess what CCP... you thought wrong. people took your game and did something different than you anticipated. they live there now and a good portion of people do now. im not saying cater to them but make improvements. these people are telling you how to continue making money and keep subscribers. Revitalize WH space and null sec and i bet you your subscription rises by at at least 3% (people coming back plus alts) how many of them will buy your PLEX? i personally have a substantial PLEX addiction lol. in the end for CCP its about making money. you make certain parts more interesting you WILL make money . continue to let your players and your game rot you will lose money its a very simple equation

"Wormhole corps are like a bunch of homeschooled kids"
Hidden Fremen
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#98 - 2013-10-29 00:08:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Hidden Fremen
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Klarion Sythis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#99 - 2013-10-29 00:26:49 UTC
Hidden Fremen wrote:
Rage post deleted...

Deleting your rage posts?

Do you have any posts left? Cool
Hidden Fremen
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#100 - 2013-10-29 00:32:51 UTC
Klarion Sythis wrote:
Hidden Fremen wrote:
Rage post deleted...

Deleting your rage posts?

Do you have any posts left? Cool


You disrespectin my family, bro?!