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The kings are dead, the rest are just farmers.

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7enn
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2013-10-26 00:18:04 UTC
I'm still advocating you guys force yourselves to fight yourselves. Assuming your claim of just wanting good fights is actually true, then who could possibly bring it better than you???

Please let loose your dogs of war and post the battle reports of the good fights you can generate amongst yourselves - it's all for the pursuit of the 'gf' after all.

I'll give you a week
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#42 - 2013-10-26 01:27:55 UTC
100 man fleets happened, people got sick of that crap and left.
This coming from HK is sadly ironic.

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QT McWhiskers
MultiPass Inc.
The 5th Seal
#43 - 2013-10-26 02:15:54 UTC

Once again I find it amusing that people seem to think that HK alone puts out 100 man fleets. I mean seriously we are a 2-300 man corp. (We purge people every day so this number changes. ) We can put together a 20 man fleet if we are lucky. A maybe 70 man fleet if you invade us, btw the invitation is still out there, and during ops we might get 40 peeps. 100 man fleets only happened once. And that was for repo.


Winthorp wrote:
Really you are making another stupid thread just like the last four you made?




This guy almost gets it.
Witchway
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#44 - 2013-10-26 02:38:24 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
This coming from HK is sadly ironic.


the day QT speaks for all of HK is the day I quit EVE.

that being said, it's not our fault we learned to adapt and survive where so many others crumbled.

we have just lived long enough to watch ourselves become the villain.

Official Shit Talking Captain, Bastard of Hard Knocks Inc.

Witchway
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#45 - 2013-10-26 02:43:41 UTC
7enn wrote:
I'm still advocating you guys force yourselves to fight yourselves. Assuming your claim of just wanting good fights is actually true, then who could possibly bring it better than you???

Please let loose your dogs of war and post the battle reports of the good fights you can generate amongst yourselves - it's all for the pursuit of the 'gf' after all.

I'll give you a week

pull your balls out of your stomach and post with your main.

Official Shit Talking Captain, Bastard of Hard Knocks Inc.

Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#46 - 2013-10-26 03:37:38 UTC
QT McWhiskers wrote:

Once again I find it amusing that people seem to think that HK alone puts out 100 man fleets. I mean seriously we are a 2-300 man corp. (We purge people every day so this number changes. ) We can put together a 20 man fleet if we are lucky. A maybe 70 man fleet if you invade us, btw the invitation is still out there, and during ops we might get 40 peeps. 100 man fleets only happened once. And that was for repo.



hehe People said the same **** when we had the ex DUCKs guys join TL. Everyone assumed we had 100 man fleets out there all the time. It just doesn't happen like that.

Back on topic, wh space is stagnant because people are getting too lazy to go out and create their own content. They expect a fight to be waiting on them on the other side of their static. If it's not there, they just wait around for the few people that actually scan to find stuff. Making changes to how POS's work and being able to swap subsystems in space would be nice, but that is not what's making/breaking wh space. Content can easily be created by those willing to do so.

Lastly. I have the poo flu so flame me good while I am away.

No trolling please

Svodola Darkfury
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2013-10-26 04:17:39 UTC
Witchway wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
This coming from HK is sadly ironic.


the day QT speaks for all of HK is the day I quit EVE.

that being said, it's not our fault we learned to adapt and survive where so many others crumbled.

we have just lived long enough to watch ourselves become the villain.



I appreciate the quote :)

Svo

Director of Frozen Corpse Industries.

Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#48 - 2013-10-26 10:04:01 UTC
Dearest Whiskers of Cuteness, ILU.

Also, the other night, I was alone in my wormhole when Dark Space Initiative and pals connected into us. 270 man corp, at least 6-8 of them, cloaky proteus, rapier, etc. 2 Tengus start running our data sites, for which I have BM's.

I get a warp-in on him with an alt, and having played AFKsies in my cheetah swap to an Exequror Navy and just SOLOYOLO in there. Fail to kill anything, and warp back to the POS smoking and guns cooked.

My point is not that I killed anything, nor died trying, but it's better to try than sit around and then come on the forums and bleat about it.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#49 - 2013-10-26 10:36:40 UTC
QT McWhiskers wrote:
Once again I find it amusing that people seem to think that HK alone puts out 100 man fleets.

did i say alone anywhere in my post? if so i do apologize, we all know no one does things alone in WH space anymore.

There is no Bob.

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Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2013-10-26 10:48:58 UTC
Bane Nucleus wrote:
Content can easily be created by those willing to do so.


I think people becoming bored with creating the same "content" over and over again is the issue.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#51 - 2013-10-26 11:11:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Lloyd Roses
Rek Seven wrote:
Bane Nucleus wrote:
Content can easily be created by those willing to do so.


I think people becoming bored with creating the same "content" over and over again is the issue.


If there was some newly introduced NPC-content, I'd be really happy for people to consider effects of this guy's excellent approach to high-end pve-content.
Sith1s Spectre
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#52 - 2013-10-26 11:32:37 UTC
If anything, WH space is going through a changing of the guard with alot of the old alliance/corps splintering off and alot of new corps/alliances forming.

As a whole we're still having alot of fun, but it means we're always ready to travel & go to the fights, not wait for them to come to us.

Cheers,

Sith

Resident forum troll and fashion consultant

corbexx
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2013-10-26 11:49:35 UTC
Bane Nucleus wrote:


Back on topic, wh space is stagnant because people are getting too lazy to go out and create their own content. They expect a fight to be waiting on them on the other side of their static. If it's not there, they just wait around for the few people that actually scan to find stuff. Making changes to how POS's work and being able to swap subsystems in space would be nice, but that is not what's making/breaking wh space. Content can easily be created by those willing to do so.



This, if you put the effort in is always stuff to do
Borsek
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#54 - 2013-10-26 12:07:47 UTC
It's a cycle. Existing 'elite' alliances and corps get bored of t3 blobs and go to 0.0/empire, spots open, new challengers rise, in a year the challengers are kings, kings get bored, kings drop dead, cycle continues.

The last time I encountered kill it with fire (lead farmers) they blobbed us with a t3 fleet so hard we had to drop caps to even the field. Start rolling around with a less powerful, smaller fleet, and you'll get more fights. Unless of course your rep is so bad-ass when people see you they're just like ****, it's those guys again, EVERYONE BACK TO THE CAVE!

I do know what you're talking about, in general; we have also met people that outnumbered us and refused to engage a damn ishtar and arazu with a 5 man fleet. There will always be such people everywhere you go, there is no way around it. Just like the damn ratters in null who dock up when a single neutral shows up in system. You must also consider that a lot of people, especially in lower class in WH space aren't at the 500M/h ISK printing stage, so when they lose 500M worth of T3 and skills, they actually care about it, since it represents up to 5 hours of soul crushing pve.
Sure, they could still engage in a T1 fleet, but, going into a fight knowing that you're going to lose and die in a fire is not always fun (sometimes it's a lot of fun fun, but not every time you get engaged).

I hope rubicon will freshen things up so you can start messing with 0.0 powerblocks with the cyno jammer unit.
Proclus Diadochu
Mar Sarrim
Red Coat Conspiracy
#55 - 2013-10-26 14:35:05 UTC
Sith1s Spectre wrote:
If anything, WH space is going through a changing of the guard with alot of the old alliance/corps splintering off and alot of new corps/alliances forming.

As a whole we're still having alot of fun, but it means we're always ready to travel & go to the fights, not wait for them to come to us.

Cheers,

Sith


It does seem like the changing of the guard. Older well known alliance/corp names are dying or merging into other alliances or groups. Reformations are taking place and some folks are simply leaving wormholes or classing down to try something new. I agree with QT's title to a degree, as I see that some of the old Kings of Anoikis are dead or gone, but new Kings are rising. New major groups or up-and-comers are forming to make a name for themselves. Kill It With Fire, No Holes Barred, SSC, and SUSU (to name a couple) are doing solid jobs of staying together or sustaining. Ofcourse those names are rising or sustaining for different reasons; KILL took on HK, NOHO took on AHARM, SSC has both WH CSM members, and SUSU has DTP. These groups are providing content or changes at their level and doing well for it.

Old guard groups collapse and new groups form/rise up to replace them. Content issues are multifold. Yes, I believe the the mystery and "frontier" nature of wormholes have been disected, documented, and studied to the point that wormholes are becoming easier in regard to PVE/PVP content and that new introduction of mechanics and environment would help spice up the holes again. Another issue is the structuring of diplomacy and our relationships with one another; Alliance/Corp Diplomacy, Batphoning, Coalition tactics, fluid communication between friends in other alliances, e-bushido stuffs, etc etc... This is player driven and establishes rules that restrict PVP conflict driving. When HK pee'd in some cheerios through some local fun leading to the greatest "almost" eviction in Anoikis, player driven content was provided. If more alliances break away from the established rules, arrangements, and/or simply troll local; I would imagine said group/s would find some nice player driven content available to them.

Our CSM bros are working to provide more content for wormholes and better our community, which is why we voted for them. If CCP listens and takes on their advice, then the mechanics side of the house will work itself out and buy us some more time until we figure out how to package/label that and need them to change it up again. As the guard changes, new relationships will form to change the player-driven side of the house, and hopefully lead to some cool stories of how one group pissed off the other group, and group B burns down group A's home, but nothing drops because Bob hates them...

Whatever, fun will eventually be had. Remember, if nothing else, at least we aren't nullsec... /text

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Glyndi
Doom Generation
Best Intentions.
#56 - 2013-10-26 18:22:50 UTC
We might be getting kicked out of our wh but we will be coming back to wspace asap. Aside from lack of new content that everyone mentions its the overall wh attitude that will keep us in wspace.

Blobs, overwhelming numbers. ..it happens. We've had a lot of even number fights that were the best moments in eve for us. Yeah we got out numbered more but it was still fun. The night before the invasion we(4 people) pushed back a fleet of around 10.

WSpace will always be our home and we will continue to fight outnumbered. Love you all, Even the invaders!
Klarion Sythis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#57 - 2013-10-27 00:46:30 UTC
More successful entities in W-Space would give everyone more fights, but being one of the largest groups by numbers is naturally going to hurt your odds of getting a fight no matter how many groups are out there. I've recently joined EOL and I look forward to leeroying some fleets and creating content with them but if I'm the FC, I'm still not going to tell all of these guys to throw their ships into a blender against SSC in the USTZ. However, nor will I decry the successful state of SSC or other large groups who many of us remember in their formative years.

Bottom line, if you're not getting fights, what can YOU (as an individual or as a group) do to fix that besides ask people nicely to suicide into you because you're getting bored?
ChrisLCTR
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#58 - 2013-10-27 00:50:20 UTC  |  Edited by: ChrisLCTR
Completely unrelated,

S1th, what is that in your eye??!

Related:

Part of the issue is that it is assumed (as has already been highlighted a few times) that larger entities will always have 2-3 times what they are showing when trying to pick a fight, so people will choose to not even attempt to engage. It seems the most interesting engagements as of late are the ones who have no clue who the "Reputable and Noteworthy" entities are. They just see targets. Those guys are great, and don't always lose.

Another thing, is WH folks are taking to NS for PvP, because it's far less tedious, more interesting, and in a lot of ways more of a rewarding PvP experience. Hence why it seems like no one is fighting in WH space these days. We are all out roaming NS, or do it much more than in the past.
Winthorp
#59 - 2013-10-27 00:56:06 UTC
ChrisLCTR wrote:
Completely unrelated,

S1th, what is that in your eye??!


A better monocle then mine, one day i will be that cool... one day.
Klarion Sythis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#60 - 2013-10-27 01:06:41 UTC
ChrisLCTR wrote:

Part of the issue is that it is assumed (as has already been highlighted a few times) that larger entities will always have 2-3 times what they are showing when trying to pick a fight, so people will choose to not even attempt to engage.

Yes, and that's pretty natural. If I'm sizing up a group not known for bringing 30 dudes, I'll probably just engage and let it play out. For groups who are capable of that, "seeing what happens" is going to be less appealing.

NS is, of course, a solid option for us all but I'm assuming we're really talking about our beloved WH fights.