Wormholes

What if I told you...
We don't have 15+ man gangs at all times of the day..

The only reason Skylian Verge took you on was because they felt they outnumbered you and could take you on.. as shown by the battlereport: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=20103411 25vs10 (possibly more if some escaped.. I can't tell because you failed to kill anything)

To me, it sounds like you are just disapointed that there are fewer blobs you can fight with your blobs. You are sad that you can't use your full 241 man corporation (plus alliance if needed). If you sit and consider why the bigger alliances broke down besides politics and other bullshit.. you can see that smaller entities can cause other smaller entities to fight them because they don't feel like they will get instapwned.

Try downshiping.. Try thining your ranks.. Try leaving a WH dedicated Alliance.. and maybe.. just maybe.. you will have more fun than blob..

I can confirm this.

Hisec, lowsec and nullsec are fine, kspace is fne. Wspace is fine too. We need a new kind of space. Maybe one where wspace is a bridge to. Thats how they solve it when they released wspace.

small gang stuff has revitalized my love for wspace. but rolling a c5 or c6 static to look for epic gudfites with a 30 man t3 gang waiting is no longer fun for me. who's got time for that ****. not enough big kids on the block for that these days. so funny how this post always comes around from a big group like when I was in exhale./polarized. big alliances/coalitions are just boring.

Damn i want that feeling back! I remember the first time is entered wormhole space and thought "this is the space game i've been looking for. Goodbye local and ****** station games".

Now there is no mystery and nothing new to see or do... So we will pew, farm and probe until CCP remember that wormhole space is/was the best space.

WH space has lost the mystery. Everyone knows how to farm in the most efficient manor and then won't go back to the old days of farming and talking/posting crap in corp/fleet chat in a kitchen sink fleet with no cloak alts picketing ways in. And now new sigs just pop up it's even harder to either die or get ganks.

People now won't fight unless they know they have overwhelming odds. What's wrong with leeroying your fleet in and seeing what happens? You make the isk back in under a week if you loose your shiny T3. It's not like they're expensive these days.

Sieges are way too much of a PITA. Heck - people can't even be bothered to wait for login traps to come about any more.

There is a general malaise in WH space as everything's known. Run a profession site? Hell no, just nick the valuable bits.....

Which just makes everything a cash cow and people after isk are going to be risk averse. So the cycle continues.



Sadly this bittervet forgot to cancel his automatic subscription so I'm going to be a bitter vet for another year. Lucky me!

I have been in and out of W-Space for over three years. A lot of people in this thread are my seniors here. However, I do not personally feel W-Space is broken or bad in any way. Of course, I have not been doing it over and over nearly as long as others.

However, I will say that With incursions allowing people to make billions being lazy and secure in high sec, I do think a lot of parts of EVE need a buff. However, I do not believe anyone in EVE has really ever needed the Devs to "create content," but that most content is player created. If we're talking more content for W-space, I'd like to see Dev lead sleeper incursions, complete with sleeper-technology capitals that randomly appear in a populated wh system, and try to burn out the inhabitants. That would be interesting. Fleet comps, tactics, etc., could be changed, instead of letting us just figure out how to game it for the most isk... but I'd also love to see NPC rats attempt to 'reclaim' null via a similar mechanic, instead of dumbly just continuing to come to the same "upgraded" system to be slaughtered on our isk machines. End dumb, repetitive, "incursion" or mission mechanics, where Kuvakei is just giving us money to buy all the shiny with--or nerf their payouts/buff other areas.

However, as I said, MOST of my fun times in EVE are player content created. PVE is always boring, unless there's a live human trying to do you all in. Its the nature of the sandbox.

To be fair, we have nights like I'm sure many do. Everyone logs on at random times. We don't want PVE again but targets aren't just "there" to shoot at, even after a few rolls. People are shooting the bull, telling jokes about genitals and making male-on-male sexual innuendos on comms while stalking YouTube or knocking out some spare blocks on Minecraft in between scan probe cycles. We have a good time, maybe stuff happens in EVE or maybe it doesn't, but its late and we're all worn out and I have partner-aggro by the time I log (or should). Too many of those and you do start to feel like something is broken, but its also a side effect of the randomness and unknown of wh space--of course, the influx of new people moving into W-space, especially C4s (apparently) has helped diminish it.

However, like Svo said above, EVE is not a game for instant PVP gratification. It's a game of patience, stalking, hunting, and cunning. I can play War Thunder if I want my PVP jollies and need them now. I play EVE if I want foreplay, a good time, and a possible blue balling out of the hole thing--or the possibility that I may wind up one my stomach, screaming "stop" as things definitely do not go as intended.... Things here are real.

Having grown -EOL from a group of 4 US guys who decided they wanted to build a 23/7 wormhole PVP corporation (we are still working on it), I can say that smaller groups are easier to deal with than larger ones, as long as you have critical mass. The more mouths to feed with PVE and people who have random "entertain me" days instead of "I'm going to find something to entertain all of us," the worse it gets--and that problem multiplies the more members you take on.

It can lead you to those, 'Is there more than this days?' That is when I'm finding you just have to go "generate content," even if it takes a few days to setup. Of course, I can't claim OP Success with this idea yet--I'm figuring out 'how' to do it. We are planning to start taking more BLOPS roams to null though, and we finally have the pilots with skill sets to do it.

I slept over in a C4 care bear hole this week with an Aussie guy. While the Aus guy found nothing to kill, I logged on the next day to find them running sites, waited patiently for 2 hours, and then ganked a Noctis. I then overestimated the cargo size of the sleeper loot in the Noctis, fumbled to even get the nano in my cargohold, just as their counter-gank fleet landed. I got away--kill and nanos--but I can't even remember if I nuked the wreck or not that had the tags--on second thought, I don't know that "care bears" is a fair term... They put up a nasty, well-coordinated fleet after they figured out I didn't have 30 t3s with me...

I will not presume to tell anyone whose done/lead/and hunted longer than me "how" to do it. However, I would remind people we play EVE because its not a theme park. It is predominantly player generated, and due to its mechanics, those parts that are "Theme Park-ish" (*cough* incursions *cough*) can have a "and suddenly" moment with ganking /awoxing/ theft/ war dec, etc. I'm in w-space because I do not like the politics of null, I do not like an easy hunt, and I absolutely do not like local--the max fleet I like is about 15, and I really love 4-5 guys fighting 4-5 guys. Its fine for me if days are empty, because when we do suddenly slam into a C4 PVE fleet trying to get back into their hole... the adrenaline rush is so pure and invigorating, like a sudden hit of a narcotic. Then there's that day that one of our guys thinks trying to kill disavowed in their own hole with 3 T3s is a good idea... and bad things happen as a result....

Doesn't matter. We still had content.

Of course, for the principles I stated above, larger entities will inherently find themselves drawn out of w-space for fights (but what wormhole corp doesn't go to null/low sec to harass the locals)? The culture, environment, and lifestyle just doesn't support huge, multi-hundred person coalitions unless you have very-aggessive, borderline psychotic FCs, constantly plotting invasions/ roams/ ganks., etc all over the place--even then, its nearly impossible to do it ALL in w-space, at least from my opinion. Not when you still have Orcas with their mining fleets at 0 in grav sites you can just warp to... (this happened in null for us last month or so)....

At any rate, peace space brothers and sisters. I look forward to making more content with all of you, both as we gank

You just need a decent corp with more than 3 real ppl in it, not those 10 account farming husk corps. Those dont add anything to wspace.

The second you get 10 real dudes, its starts getting harder to drop you while farming, and the payout per person is still ok. Not one supercarrier per person permonth great, but I can live in W-Space and lose a T3 every week great.

c2 static ftw

not really, everyone else's ability to encounter us remains the same because we do no live together. It literally has no affect on the rest of WH space

Weird, in skyfighter we are having much more fun we we decided to go out of home and find more stuff to shoot