Wormholes

IMHO I think most people agree that when both sides are about equalish w-space fights are really awesome. Thats was also often the reality years ago when a lot of pvp corps had about the same numbers. Problem with w-space pvp are that numbers are more a key factor than anywhere else and people started to blue each other and form giant fleets to get better odds.

I know in nullsec our 10 men gang often wins or equals against fleet with 30-40 dudes.
In w-space same fleetsize would loose so hard against 30 dudes or even 20.

We spent hours to come up with comps that can fight against big numbers in w-space but man, I'm not really sure if its possible except some hit and run tactics.

Sometimes groups go for downshipping and get half staged t1 cruiser fights at sun but TBH is as thrilling as loading up SiSi and pvp there.

Wish there were better mechanics in place

W-Space is a sad state of affairs right now.

C5 after C5 is either dead, or the farmers don't want to play. We call ourselves WH corps but I'm starting to spend more time in the connecting nulls than in the actual holes.

It's no wonder groups are moving to the lower class holes.

Ha ha ha haa haaaa (gasp.... pant..... gasp.....)

Haa haa hee heh ho (gasp.... pant... gasp.....)





er.... yeah, I don't get it either. What could it be?

Listen up kiddies I herby proclaim and demand that you play my way and make fun for me in wh space.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot - get with my program. NOW!!


OR ELSE

(I'm not messing around here, this is your last warning)

Nah... pure ganks are quite boring in the long run and it would just lead to more dudes leaving w-space.
If people are risking ships costing about .5-4 bil each in pvp, you really need a half decent way to replenish your losses.

Well I think what happened is people get used to having fights. If you take it back few years you will notice that there were way less fights in general in wspace. I am not saying that current situation is great but its not super dire yet anyway.

What wspace needs is a shakup in form of changed stats/behaviours and additional content.

Ghost sites will be added to wspace in Rubicon, while a minor step in the right direction it is a step in right direction. I hope the trend will continue.

Besides everything mentioned in this thread I personally think that the biggest problem is that people became lazy. So **** YOU lazy people!



Narwhals, Exhale, and whatever never were a single alliance.

Wormhole space in lower class wormholes is just fine.

just tell em to stop "improving" exploration they ******* suck at their own game. Custom probe fromations was nice (an UI improvment), the rest just plain horrible. Infact I argue Oddysse de facto removed exploration from the game, as that Team Trisomie 21 sig scanning device is always showing everything right away, not much exploring to be done after that.

Ghost sites, they are not even sigs, its a ******* joke to even sell em as exploration, as for selling em as a small WH feature, well lets say if we start celebrating they didnt forcefully removed them from W-Spce I think it clearly shows the current state of CCP incompetence when it comes to WHs.

Bane is wrong. Bane is always wrong. Bane is a noob. What's wrong with Bane? Bane eats too many grapes, wears a red jacket and is a noob.

Bane really is the problem here. He started the trend to create large overall crappy wh alliances. He started the mandatory bat phone program. If Bane would just stop talking - wh space would be sooooo much better.

Aside from the evil Bane has brought upon us I'm not sure what you're looking for. It kind of sounds like a 'you guys should fight me or else' thread. We've had manyseveral of these threads and they haven't changed anything. (one definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results)

I think Sushi provided you with the answer you seek. If you're not having fun, then move on to something else. You'll never be able to get other players (especially eve players AND especially especially eve wh players) to do what you want. Quit asking/demanding/begging for them to do other than what they will do. You can't control them.

Actually that brings a solution to your problem to light. You're in a big alliance. Tell your corps in your alliance THEY HAVE TO FIGHT EACH OTHER EVERY TIME THEY MEET. You can control your own peeps. If what you guys truly want is just good fights, then roll into yourself and kick your own butts. Instead of complaining of a percieved downward spiral in wh space, create your own epic inter alliance fights. Report back to the forums of the epic wins/losses and how much fun you had and folks will be drawn to the action. (this will require work on your part and not on our part, so it isn't all rainbows and unicorns)

If you want more than good fights, then the above won't help you much. If you want something other than good fights, then please tell us what you really want.

QT,

One question back for you. As one of the largest, if not the largest single WH corps, do you think it helped or hurt the situation by joining an alliance? It seems to me that big alliances simply reduce potential targets in WH space.

I think this is a good idea from the OP to take fights and stuff, lately i've been more of the opinion of just well **** it lets do it!

We actually went into your home system the other week but were shocked that no one was home but a bitter scout who got caught.

However even chance encounters with entities such as yourselves those mighty self important people that have spoken up in this post, the chances of us meeting are slim ish even.

We need more of a drive to bring people in but im no expert on how ect..

And the whole 'lower class wh space is the shiz' stuff doesn't float with me, chances of random drakes coming into your hole to gank are great im sure but yeah..