Intergalactic Summit

No i wont Andreus. I dont call the man who won back home and freed us from Federation tyranny a traitor.

I was right, Heth was right when we talked about enemies from within. CEP has been compromised and is not fit for purpose. All the megas have been infiltrated with enemy agents, and top executives have worked with the Federation against the State. The ruling that Heth was a terrorist and a traitor should be overturned. Where ever Heth is he is likely gone for good and not coming back. Let us remember the glory and treat him with dignity

The provist party should also be reinstated as a legal political entity within the State.

And this is the guy that thinks I need a tinfoil hat... yikes.

Perhaps I have missed a news report or two, but exactly when was it announced that Tibus Heth was, in fact, Yakiya Tovil-Toba risen from the grave, or reincarnated or what-have-you?

I don't need the Federation to call myself Gallente. Hell people don't even call me Gallente because of my heritage, so no skin off my nose. I don't need a government to know who I am.

CEP have released their statement today.

New Caldari – The Chief Executive Panel has released a joint statement on behalf of all CEOs of the megacorporations refuting the portion of the Operation Highlander dossier leaked by the Scope last week. “The megacorporations of the Caldari State completely deny that any executives worked with the Gallente Federation in bringing about the downfall of Tibus Heth or the invasion of Caldari Prime,” their statement said.

source http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/cep-denounces-operation-highlander-leak/

The best part of the Federation is that, Progressor grumps to the contrary, we don't obsess over loyalty and betrayal. Flexibility and promiscuity are our strengths, not our weaknesses.

The original topic of this discussion wasn't something I'd intended to comment on, but as the discussion has touched on Intaki secession, I think it'd be neglectful of me not to respond to some of the points made.

I'd like to focus on some aspects of the commentary from the pro-Fed participants that I believe are relevent to current affairs in the Federation - namely the topic of 'minorities within the whole', whether they be cultural or ethnic or, in the case of Intaki secession, political.

First though I want to highlight something that's played on my mind for a long time:


5000? That's a very nice round number, isn't it? I question it, taking it to be a neat and tidy head count by the Federal U-Nats of the time.

The fact that this "statistic" is so universally accepted as fact though, is perhaps down to a misreading of the history books. A popular reference source tells us that ...the Federation quickly subdued the Intaki. Those deemed the biggest threat to the stability of the regime were arrested and exiled. Some of these went over to the Caldari side, but the majority of the exiles, some five thousand in total, went out into the great unknown at the outskirts of Federation space.

There weren't 5000 exiles, there were others, uncounted, that chose the State.

How many? One thousand? Two? We could add 50% or more to the "5000" founders of the Syndicate, and still the text would be accurate. And what of dependents? How many wives went with their exiled husbands? How many children were there? Siblings.. Elderly parents...

5000? We could double that figure easily.

And Vremaja Idama is on record as saying that in the wake of the bombardment of Caldari Prime, the Intaki held their tongues. How many would-be exiles remained in Placid? How many lowered their eyes in fear of Gallente reprisal?

And this 5000 is a number upon which the scale of Intaki dissatisfaction is measured? What other demographic statistics should we question?


This one?

We openly acknowledge that yes, we are in the minority. But "minority" and "majority" are just vague blanket terms. If we take a number at random I think we can agree that 80% would be an overwhelming majority in political terms. But should the remaining 20% - a fifth of the population - simply be ignored?

The pro-Feds certainly paint secessionists as little more than an vocal irrelevence, an irritation to be brushed away, rather than actually acknowledge and engage with. Regardless of the actual numbers our concerns are valid and our position is deserving of respect, regardless of whether you agree with it or not.


Indeed.

Whatever happened to the Federation being the land of free speech and democracy? From our perspective it seems more like the land of media-driven popularism and herd mentality.

For an organisation that constantly whines about others taking their statements out of context or intentionally twisting their intent, the ILF sure seem to be masters of it.


Either you intentionally misread my statement or you didn't understand the point I was making. I find either possibility shameful.

The point isn't that they're non-Intaki Federal citizens. The point is that they're non-Intaki Federal citizens, whom - ironically enough - almost every Intaki seccessionalist movement conveniently forgets when it suits them. Leaving aside the subject of Intaki Federal unionists - who, it always gives me great pleasure to remind seccessionalists, comprise an absolute majority of the population of any suggested seccession territory - for a moment, the seccessionalist movement completely ignores between millions (at the lowest proposed extent) and hundreds of millions (at the highest) of Federal citizens who would suddenly, through no fault of their own, be Federal citizens in a territory outside of Federal space.

I suppose they should just pack up and move off our land?


Regional governments, no matter how powerful, do not have executive or legislative power over areas outside their mandated region? Working as intended.

What? That means that the Intaki Assembly cannot push certain seccessionalist agendas because some of its aims are out of scope? Well, that's the fault of the seccessionalist movement for attempting to move the scope of the issue beyond the Intaki system. Seccession of other planets or systems are matters for their specific governments to decide.

Like all the empires, our society is sick. But we have the medicine we need to get better.

Which is why we need loyal citizens who are willing to make it better.