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Senator calls Republic security threat and untrustworthy

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TomHorn
Horn Brothers Holdings Inc.
#1 - 2013-10-24 01:02:52 UTC
Senator speaks out against the Republic calling them a security threat and untrustworthy. The anti-Republic sentiments drew vocal cheers from the audience.

Source http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/conservative-senator-calls-republic-untrustworthy/

Is this just a ploy to gain political support from the Gallente conservative right. Has the Senate finally now decided to revaluate its relationship with the Republic. Will it start to clamp down on the freedoms of the Minmatar minority within the Federation, because of this so called security threat.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-10-24 01:58:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
Someone mentioned this senator's speech in the verdict thread though it's not gaining much attention. I'll just repeat myself for now.

Fredfredbug4 wrote:
The Republic not only destroyed the Yulai station causing us to get invaded but then five years later, actually invaded us.

Yeah, the Republic isn't trustworthy, it doesn't take a lot to see this. It's honestly extremely puzzling how we are still "allies". The Federation has gained little to nothing from this "alliance". You can even make the argument that we've suffered losses from this "alliance".



The Republic or at the very least, the Shakor "Administration" is not trustworthy. Not to us, nor anyone else in the cluster. Now that Heth is out of power, Shakor is the next lunatic we have to take care of.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

TomHorn
Horn Brothers Holdings Inc.
#3 - 2013-10-24 02:25:53 UTC
Quote:
#2 Posted: 2013.10.24 01:58 | Report | Edited by: Fredfredbug4 Like Someone mentioned this senator's speech in the verdict thread though it's not gaining much attention. I'll just repeat myself for now.


Fredfredbug4 wrote:
The Republic not only destroyed the Yulai station causing us to get invaded but then five years later, actually invaded us.

Yeah, the Republic isn't trustworthy, it doesn't take a lot to see this. It's honestly extremely puzzling how we are still "allies". The Federation has gained little to nothing from this "alliance". You can even make the argument that we've suffered losses from this "alliance".



The Republic or at the very least, the Shakor "Administration" is not trustworthy. Not to us, nor anyone else in the cluster. Now that Heth is out of power, Shakor is the next lunatic we have to take care of.


Those are strong words Fred. Do you see the Minmatar minority within the Federation as security threat. Do you think that extra surveillance or some kind of clampdown on the freedoms of the Minmatar within the Federation would be good idea to try and prevent any future threats or possible terrorist attacks.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-10-24 03:54:26 UTC
There's something to be said here about history repeating itself and the Federation being incapable of actually reaching the lofty ideals it professes.

Nothing wrong with that.

The Minmatar in the Fed could always come back from where they came from I suppose.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Nissui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-10-24 05:10:27 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
The Minmatar in the Fed could always come back from where they came from I suppose.

I've heard the Intaki have a saying, "good fences make good neighbors."

Seems to me it wouldn't hurt for the itinerant Matari to take their business back home while things are still neighborly.
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#6 - 2013-10-24 10:23:20 UTC
Got to love Ultranationalism. Certainly creates some nasty cracks in the veneer of multiculturalism in the Federation, doesn't it?

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Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-10-24 10:51:13 UTC
TomHorn wrote:
Quote:
#2 Posted: 2013.10.24 01:58 | Report | Edited by: Fredfredbug4 Like Someone mentioned this senator's speech in the verdict thread though it's not gaining much attention. I'll just repeat myself for now.


Fredfredbug4 wrote:
The Republic not only destroyed the Yulai station causing us to get invaded but then five years later, actually invaded us.

Yeah, the Republic isn't trustworthy, it doesn't take a lot to see this. It's honestly extremely puzzling how we are still "allies". The Federation has gained little to nothing from this "alliance". You can even make the argument that we've suffered losses from this "alliance".



The Republic or at the very least, the Shakor "Administration" is not trustworthy. Not to us, nor anyone else in the cluster. Now that Heth is out of power, Shakor is the next lunatic we have to take care of.


Those are strong words Fred. Do you see the Minmatar minority within the Federation as security threat. Do you think that extra surveillance or some kind of clampdown on the freedoms of the Minmatar within the Federation would be good idea to try and prevent any future threats or possible terrorist attacks.


The Minmatar aren't a threat, just the Republic.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#8 - 2013-10-24 11:04:27 UTC
What's with all the sabre-rattling and warmongering as of late? Follow me a bit here:

-Gallente extremists doing their best to demonize non-native gallenteans, check the Black Eagles and assorted.

-Minmatar Republic under Shakor doing their best to antagonize the Amarr Empire (I can udnerstand this bit, albeit I don't believe it's a good course of action) and their Gallente neighbours as well... (antagonize and even fire on your allies' warships... really)

-Certain Amarr Empire officials with influence pushing for a new Reclaiming against the Republic....

It really does look grim if common sense or men/women of good will don't come to the spotlight soon. Extremism, warmongering and *Blame the Other* attitudes work like poison. Their effect isn't noticed at first, but slowly and surely, they work their ways to the final goal, believeing the Other is Evil and must be Punished, in this case by war.

Oh and before people think I forget, Caldari don't seem to do much on the warmongering front, and with good reason, we're still picking up the mess Heth left behind, a State on the brink of civil war. We got rebuilding to do....

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N'maro Makari
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#9 - 2013-10-24 11:58:46 UTC
Speeches like this would worry me, thankfully it seems mostly that the Senator was looking for a hook for the audience. I would like to hear from more Gallente perspectives to peace and reconciliation though, the current one-sided reporting may risk creating a false picture and escalating things.

**Vherokior **

Kyllsa Siikanen
Tuonelan Virta
#10 - 2013-10-24 12:02:42 UTC
Do remember that the attack on Yulai and the invasion of the Mandate was to rescue a tribe we had thought lost for over 100 years, and that were in grave danger from the then Emperor. Had this been "it", I have no doubt that people would grudgingly accept what we did and move on.

But, with Shakor at the helm, enough seems to never be enough; hence the attack on the Empire.

I dont know who ordered that, but I have to assume it was him. Why? Because Midular had just been deposed in a coup, because I, nor anyone I know, have ever heard a peep from these "Elders". Frankly, if the "Elders" were fool enough to order that attack, or the more recent fiasco in Coleile, nothing changes - they were still inept, and they should still relinquish power.

As I remain unconvinced that the elders DO still live, of course, I can only look to Shakor. As Matari, we have every right to take pride in our achievements - hell, we ink proof of them on our bodies. We also must own up to our failures. The Coleile invasion, whatever fueled it (some conspiracy theories do exist here, some of which sadly even have some merit) was either his failure or a direct response to his actions, whatever angle you examine.

One man is not the nation, of course, and removing Shakor from power wont suddenly make a racist not have killed my chief and several dozen of my kin. Removing him from power will not magically erase the racist sentiment that does exist, in some capacity, within the Federation. It will not magically end the war with the Empire. It will have virtually NO tangible impact regarding what has already been done.

He still, however, has much to answer for, to the Matari people as well as to many outside of our nation.

Of course, if we knew WHO was responsible for the Coleile mess, we'd have a better idea of where to point the fingers, I suppose. Maybe when my Tribe has a new chief, that individual will step up to the plate, eh?

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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#11 - 2013-10-24 12:12:18 UTC
Nissui wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
The Minmatar in the Fed could always come back from where they came from I suppose.

I've heard the Intaki have a saying, "good fences make good neighbors."

Seems to me it wouldn't hurt for the itinerant Matari to take their business back home while things are still neighborly.


Who knows, the sentiments of the good Senator in question might also be as good a reason as any to seek accord and friendship between the State and Republic in the future. If the Federation wants to turn its back on the Republic, how can any honest Caldari businesswoman not see the multitude of political and economic opportunities it might offer.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-10-24 12:27:31 UTC
TomHorn wrote:
Is this just a ploy to gain political support from the Gallente conservative right. Has the Senate finally now decided to revaluate its relationship with the Republic. Will it start to clamp down on the freedoms of the Minmatar minority within the Federation, because of this so called security threat.

Ah, so the Provist is suddenly an expert on the intricacies and implications of Gallentean politics? How broad-minded and cosmopolitan of you.

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Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Indira Harashani
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#13 - 2013-10-24 12:46:12 UTC
Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:
Do remember that the attack on Yulai and the invasion of the Mandate was to rescue a tribe we had thought lost for over 100 years, and that were in grave danger from the then Emperor. Had this been "it", I have no doubt that people would grudgingly accept what we did and move on.

I would caution you to re-visit records from that year.

We had no Emperor at the time; instead we had a corpulent, power-obsessed heretic squatting upon the throne that rightfully belonged to those infinitely his better, as he delayed and blocked any attempts by the legitimate Heirs to resume the Succession Trials that have been part of our ways for longer than anyone alive today can remember.

If you wish to pin any blame for any danger the Starkmanir were under on someone, I suggest you direct it at the now-deceased Chamberlain (cursed be his name), rather than some non-existent entity.

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TomHorn
Horn Brothers Holdings Inc.
#14 - 2013-10-24 13:34:32 UTC  |  Edited by: TomHorn
Quote:
The Minmatar aren't a threat, just the Republic.


Im not sure the Senate would agree with you there Fred. Yes they agree the Republic is a threat , but im sure they also realize the Minmatar minority within the Federation could also pose a potential threat. They may need to take some kind of action to spot potential dissidents or terrorist threats from the more extreme elements. We will have to wait and see what the Senate decide is the solution to the Minmatar/Republic problem.

I read the news Andreus just like everyone else.
Rosen Thornn
House of Nightshade
#15 - 2013-10-24 13:49:59 UTC
Both sides have enough enemies without making more.
Anslo
Scope Works
#16 - 2013-10-24 14:06:00 UTC
I said it once, I'll say it again. Beer solves everything.

Also, Horn, stop trying to stir **** with assumptions like Matari being monitored more. That's ******* ridiculous....well in the mind of any sane person anywa (note: u-nats aren't sane).

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Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#17 - 2013-10-24 14:33:26 UTC
TomHorn wrote:
Quote:
The Minmatar aren't a threat, just the Republic.


Im not sure the Senate would agree with you there Fred. Yes they agree the Republic is a threat , but im sure they also realize the Minmatar minority within the Federation could also pose a potential threat. They may need to take some kind of action to spot potential dissidents or terrorist threats from the more extreme elements. We will have to wait and see what the Senate decide is the solution to the Minmatar/Republic problem.

I read the news Andreus just like everyone else.


Through counter-intelligence it should be possible to pinpoint potential troublemakers and neutralise them before they exercise their potential for violence.

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Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#18 - 2013-10-24 14:46:08 UTC
Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:
Do remember that the attack on Yulai and the invasion of the Mandate was to rescue a tribe we had thought lost for over 100 years, and that were in grave danger from the then Emperor. Had this been "it", I have no doubt that people would grudgingly accept what we did and move on.

But, with Shakor at the helm, enough seems to never be enough; hence the attack on the Empire.

I dont know who ordered that, but I have to assume it was him. Why? Because Midular had just been deposed in a coup, because I, nor anyone I know, have ever heard a peep from these "Elders". Frankly, if the "Elders" were fool enough to order that attack, or the more recent fiasco in Coleile, nothing changes - they were still inept, and they should still relinquish power.

As I remain unconvinced that the elders DO still live, of course, I can only look to Shakor. As Matari, we have every right to take pride in our achievements - hell, we ink proof of them on our bodies. We also must own up to our failures. The Coleile invasion, whatever fueled it (some conspiracy theories do exist here, some of which sadly even have some merit) was either his failure or a direct response to his actions, whatever angle you examine.

One man is not the nation, of course, and removing Shakor from power wont suddenly make a racist not have killed my chief and several dozen of my kin. Removing him from power will not magically erase the racist sentiment that does exist, in some capacity, within the Federation. It will not magically end the war with the Empire. It will have virtually NO tangible impact regarding what has already been done.

He still, however, has much to answer for, to the Matari people as well as to many outside of our nation.

Of course, if we knew WHO was responsible for the Coleile mess, we'd have a better idea of where to point the fingers, I suppose. Maybe when my Tribe has a new chief, that individual will step up to the plate, eh?


I think this may be the closest I have ever come to completely agreeing with a member of Electus Matari.

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Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#19 - 2013-10-24 15:59:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Caellach Marellus
So just a year before election season a single Federal senator is trying to appeal to the minority far right after a time of civil unrest and unease with their neighbours and allies.

Honestly, this is such a nothing story I don't know where to begin. It's the usual **** poor worded gossip style you people eat up in hopes of juicy scandal and intrigue. So taking all the pointlessness out of this, here's a cut down version for you, keeping that dramatic flair of pointless bullshittery people love to consume:


"Federal senator desperate for votes in upcoming elections next year."



There.


Now quit stirring up **** in the vain hope that the realistic situation matches your wishful fantasies, too many people with an agenda that they push so much it's obvious, and desperate.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#20 - 2013-10-24 17:51:35 UTC
I agree with the sentiments expressed by Pilot Marellus. This is a non-story being posted by a person with a well known anti-Republic bias. Nothing newsworthy to see here.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

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