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Clone pricing to older players.
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Pesadel0
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2011-11-02 14:23:49 UTC
I would like to know if CCP is planning to reduce the prices of the clones, i think i shouldn't be penalized because i like to fly small (easy to kill) ships .
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2011-11-02 15:48:04 UTC
If you have enough SP to make clone prices a bother, you have enough SP to rat up enough money to pay for them in a short space of time.
Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2011-11-02 16:48:45 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
If you have enough SP to make clone prices a bother, you have enough SP to rat up enough money to pay for them in a short space of time.



At first it's agreeable, but on the other hand the more SP you have (and older player you are) you will be PvPing more and dying more (especially for dictor pilots).

I think it's penalizing to older players who have stuck with the game to pay more just for playing longer. Yes they have the potential to make more ISK, but when you have to shell out 15-20m every time you get podded it wears down on you.

Not everyone who has played the game has billions in their wallet. Many are just as broke as the 3 month old newbie.

Not a diplo. 

The above post was edited for spelling.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#4 - 2011-11-02 17:18:55 UTC
Pesadel0 wrote:
I would like to know if CCP is planning to reduce the prices of the clones, i think i shouldn't be penalized because i like to fly small (easy to kill) ships .
Why should they? If you don't like the prices, take the risk and don't upgrade your clone.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
raney ilara
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2011-11-02 17:29:10 UTC
Pesadel0 wrote:
I would like to know if CCP is planning to reduce the prices of the clones, i think i shouldn't be penalized because i like to fly small (easy to kill) ships .



I shouldn't be penalized because I like to mine ice...
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#6 - 2011-11-02 17:51:34 UTC
raney ilara wrote:
Pesadel0 wrote:
I would like to know if CCP is planning to reduce the prices of the clones, i think i shouldn't be penalized because i like to fly small (easy to kill) ships .



I shouldn't be penalized because I like to mine ice...


I'm pretty sure you should.

I am the One who exists in Shadow. I am the Devil your parents warned you about.

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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2011-11-02 18:47:35 UTC
Vincent Gaines wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
If you have enough SP to make clone prices a bother, you have enough SP to rat up enough money to pay for them in a short space of time.



At first it's agreeable, but on the other hand the more SP you have (and older player you are) you will be PvPing more and dying more (especially for dictor pilots).

I think it's penalizing to older players who have stuck with the game to pay more just for playing longer. Yes they have the potential to make more ISK, but when you have to shell out 15-20m every time you get podded it wears down on you.

Not everyone who has played the game has billions in their wallet. Many are just as broke as the 3 month old newbie.


20 mil isn't that hard to make though. Run a sanctum, belt rat a bit, loot a battlefield, run some incursions, there are loads of ways to do it.
Pesadel0
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2011-11-02 19:45:22 UTC
Well CCP lowered the clone price once so it is not really a first time, and my clone is 30M a pop so yeah , when i fly dictors in big fights i die often if not every time, i don´t think i should be more penalized just because i play for far longer than most people..
Fille Balle
Ballbreakers R us
#9 - 2011-11-02 19:52:25 UTC
Well, I have to say I agree with the OP. Sure 20mill is fairly easy to make, but I upgraded my clone recently, and I'll tell you stright, the 72mill price tag didn't excactly encourage me to go do the pirate epic arcs. That is to say, going off to pvp feels a lot less attractive.

Lowering the price would encourage more older players to pvp, and would remove one more obstacle from living in nullsec.

Stop the spamming, not the scamming!
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#10 - 2011-11-02 19:57:15 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Pesadel0 wrote:
I would like to know if CCP is planning to reduce the prices of the clones, i think i shouldn't be penalized because i like to fly small (easy to kill) ships .
Why should they? If you don't like the prices, take the risk and don't upgrade your clone.


yes, good idea.. and even if that goes wrong, you benefit from a cheaper clone next time
Baaldor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2011-11-02 20:11:31 UTC
Pesadel0 wrote:
Well CCP lowered the clone price once so it is not really a first time, and my clone is 30M a pop so yeah , when i fly dictors in big fights i die often if not every time, i don´t think i should be more penalized just because i play for far longer than most people..


Yeah feel your pain man, but I either:

A) Accept the fact flying paper coffins, slosh ops, suicide ganks...there is a good chance i am going to end up paying for the pleasure.

B) Or participate in activities and fly ships that would reduce the chance of me having to cough up 30mil plus per clone.
Goose99
#12 - 2011-11-02 21:31:35 UTC
Easy. Don't update clones. If you have enough SP for clones to get expensive, just lose them to a point where they're no longer expensive.Cool
Skippidipp
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2011-11-03 01:18:53 UTC
Pesadel0 wrote:
I would like to know if CCP is planning to reduce the prices of the clones, i think i shouldn't be penalized because i like to fly small (easy to kill) ships .


Its funny to see players with small amounts of SP trying to troll/justify older player paying 20+ mill on clones. Just wait some years when they have to pay the same. Than the tone will be very different.

CCP should sett a cap on clones. So no matter what SP you have, you don't lose more then 5 mill or so. Than 100 mill SP pilots can fly a frig size ship, with out losing 30 mill just on clone.
Hurrasimoso
Fuxi Legion
Fraternity.
#14 - 2011-11-03 01:35:27 UTC
if ccp buff clone price, is only buff problem for player. I dont understand why CCP try create more trouble for player. Player have more problems & truble in game now. they need pay % to coprotation, they need pay for ship, they need pay for selling some thing, they need pay if you upgrade clone, they need pay some & for bounti's, they need pay for insurance, they need pay for export & import resources on planet, they need buy ship, bullet's, set implant's P, fraction fit Pirate, missles, scenaries, & finaly they need buy PLEX for play he game next 30 day) Cool..... soo i not understand this more bad ecomomic's idea...
Goose99
#15 - 2011-11-03 01:36:23 UTC
Skippidipp wrote:
Pesadel0 wrote:
I would like to know if CCP is planning to reduce the prices of the clones, i think i shouldn't be penalized because i like to fly small (easy to kill) ships .


Its funny to see players with small amounts of SP trying to troll/justify older player paying 20+ mill on clones. Just wait some years when they have to pay the same. Than the tone will be very different.

CCP should sett a cap on clones. So no matter what SP you have, you don't lose more then 5 mill or so. Than 100 mill SP pilots can fly a frig size ship, with out losing 30 mill just on clone.


No. The isk sink is intentional and necessary.

You either have too much isk or too much SP. It's your choice which you lose.Cool
Pesadel0
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2011-11-03 10:54:17 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
Skippidipp wrote:
Pesadel0 wrote:
I would like to know if CCP is planning to reduce the prices of the clones, i think i shouldn't be penalized because i like to fly small (easy to kill) ships .


Its funny to see players with small amounts of SP trying to troll/justify older player paying 20+ mill on clones. Just wait some years when they have to pay the same. Than the tone will be very different.

CCP should sett a cap on clones. So no matter what SP you have, you don't lose more then 5 mill or so. Than 100 mill SP pilots can fly a frig size ship, with out losing 30 mill just on clone.


No. The isk sink is intentional and necessary.

You either have too much isk or too much SP. It's your choice which you lose.Cool


How much do you pay for your clone?
Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2011-11-03 11:32:19 UTC
Supported ,
It is lame to keep that huge difference between the clone prices , even if someone with that much sp can easily farm the cost out , why should he work much more than the lower sp player , especially as he probably flies the same ships and fits.
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2011-11-03 13:44:45 UTC  |  Edited by: De'Veldrin
Vincent Gaines wrote:
Not everyone who has played the game has billions in their wallet. Many are just as broke as the 3 month old newbie.


And that is CCP's problem how exactly? It's not like money is exactly hard to make in this game. They're practically giving it away.


Naomi Knight wrote:
Supported ,
It is lame to keep that huge difference between the clone prices , even if someone with that much sp can easily farm the cost out , why should he work much more than the lower sp player , especially as he probably flies the same ships and fits.


No one is forcing you to fly a death trap. If you don't like the clone prices, roll (or buy) an alt that can fly that class of ships well, but has fewer SP than your main. It's not rocket science here folks.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Obsidiana
Atrament Inc.
#19 - 2011-11-03 15:27:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Obsidiana
Well, let's take a look at the prices:

Under 92.5 Mil SP -- 20 Mil Isk
Under 120 Mil SP -- 30 Mil Isk
Under 156 Mil SP -- 45 Mil Isk < I estimate about 10% of players based on past figures I vaguely recall
Under 203 Mil SP -- 65 Mil Isk < a number of players
Under 264 Mil SP -- 90 Mil Isk < few players

There are a number of people shelling out 45 to 65 million isk for clones. That does not include the loss from the ship, modules, or implants; don’t forget about buying new insurance. A frugal pilot is looking at a 100 mil isk loss pretty easily.

So that loss is about 2-3 good hours of incursions, 4-5 hours of missions, or a whole lot of mining. Depending on your free time, how you make isk, what you fly, and other factors, you could be looking at a couple days’ loss for one ship.

Considering the price more than doubles before the 100 Mil SP mark and then triples, it is a bit steep. My heart goes out to the people past the 203 Mil SP mark. That one is insane. For the 92.5 Mil SP, that's one good mission or incursion. A new dictor does roughly double that cost.

Prices take from the EVElopedia:
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Cloning
Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2011-11-03 16:11:15 UTC
De'Veldrin wrote:
Vincent Gaines wrote:
Not everyone who has played the game has billions in their wallet. Many are just as broke as the 3 month old newbie.


And that is CCP's problem how exactly? It's not like money is exactly hard to make in this game. They're practically giving it away.


Naomi Knight wrote:
Supported ,
It is lame to keep that huge difference between the clone prices , even if someone with that much sp can easily farm the cost out , why should he work much more than the lower sp player , especially as he probably flies the same ships and fits.


No one is forcing you to fly a death trap. If you don't like the clone prices, roll (or buy) an alt that can fly that class of ships well, but has fewer SP than your main. It's not rocket science here folks.


what will you get butthurt if older players could play with their main and fly what ship what they want , and dont have to pay lame increased cost for his pod loss ,just because they started to play this game earlier than you?
that thinking is so gloating and shortsighted
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