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Amarr Will is Free Will not God's Will

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Ottom Ephesianos
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
#1 - 2013-10-23 10:56:51 UTC
After gate collaspse theorists conject there was a period of time loosely referred to as a 'dark age.' Beyond the 'event' there are no records of space travel archived in the protected data bases of the racial conclaves. It is unlikely there were no exploration vessles outside of the damage radius for humanity survived. Known space travel was eliminated and cultures protected by atmospheres planet side slid into tribal regimes as depicted by the countless artifacts of intelligent life archived from earth but void from astroid belts and moons. Scientists assume this was due to 'organic displacement' caused by a space time ribbon but the theory is unsubstantiated. Sleeper studies are reluctant to release their findings.

In tribal society groups of survivors reinvinted their cultural disciplines required to achieve the monumental task of intergalactic exploration via organised manifestations of their previous methods to coexist. Spirituality and religion. Two concepts universal yet antiquated to pre-event personas. New to colonists several generations after the apocolypse the rushed attempt to collaborate constructive institutions to serve the masses left holes in phylosophy which normally take thousands of years of litterature and trial to perfect. As a result the tribal menstrations of our ancestors fell far behind the accelerated incline towards technology. Heartless and nuetral to the plight of human fragility tribal preists and leaders rushed behind the technological advancements into space.

Under normal circumstances the question of "free will vs God's will" arrises frequently. God's enigmatic pressence and all knowing ambiguity has always been a hurtle to overcome by any coherent person. This same question reinforces indeviduality and promotes progress safely within the confines of morality and community. Unfortunately for the Amarr this simple quest which is a foundation for any well structured religion was never undertaken. If it had been the answer that this odessy can never be fully explained would have been revealed. Spiritual indevidualism could have safely evolved side by side with the growth of the populous and eventually the diversity of the universe.

Amarr Empirialists recognised the necessity to work on congruence not by embracing racism to foster commonality but by religious zealousness to encourage obedience. Foregoing the the concept of free will the collective sated the appetite for the pride of Will with the Will of the Empire. When they encountered free will beyond the bounderies of their own systems by their own need to understand it's concept they chose to attack the unknown. God in the heart of the loyal Amarr could not stand idly by without being recognised. Since the loyalist has no concept of free will for him/herself free will when encountered turned from indeviduality into heressy. A warping of institutionalised morality unleashed on the cluster.

Historical excavations reveal little in the mindset of pre-collapse sub groups suggesting the evolutionary process required to embrace the concept of a loving God was hastened by tribal leaders rather than allow the people to grow into it. In force feeding youth "God's" will tribal leaders encouraged the practice of control and discipline over more spiritual fullfilling endevors to include family and love. A model supportive of an Empire but no such luck on the home front.

As a result the Amarr lost the ability to communicate successfully with eath other. Thier feelings and longings were lost in the piety and devotion to God's Will which was overly focused on control and industry. In conclusion the principals behind the requirement for a God contradicted the deeds of their own instututions.

Amarr Will is Free Will but not God's Will.
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#2 - 2013-10-26 17:21:32 UTC
A basic problem with your analysis, sir, is that while the technological development of this cluster's peoples was undoubtedly different than the technological development of hypothetical indigenous peoples on those same worlds, so too was the social and religious development of this cluster's peoples different than the social and religious development of hypothetical indigenous peoples on the same worlds.

Because of the Scriptures, we can trace the history of the Amarr religion all the way back to the settlement of the cluster and beyond; in a sense, the Amarr are the righteous and holy and good people that they are today because their pre-Dark Age ancestors were also righteous and holy and good. While I know less about the history of the Gallente, it would not be a stretch to claim that they are the filthy, depraved, scum that they are today in some way because their pre-Dark Age civilization was also filthy and depraved.
Vaari
Imperial Pharmacy
#3 - 2013-10-27 02:21:24 UTC
Heresy.

Fear the God and honor the Empress!

-House Valius battle shout.

Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-10-28 19:34:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Stalking Mantis
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Rhodopsin Pserad
Ho Theos Geometrei
#5 - 2013-10-29 11:24:49 UTC
Ottom Ephesianos wrote:

Amarr Empirialists recognised the necessity to work on congruence not by embracing racism to foster commonality but by religious zealousness to encourage obedience. Foregoing the the concept of free will the collective sated the appetite for the pride of Will with the Will of the Empire. When they encountered free will beyond the bounderies of their own systems by their own need to understand it's concept they chose to attack the unknown. God in the heart of the loyal Amarr could not stand idly by without being recognised. Since the loyalist has no concept of free will for him/herself free will when encountered turned from indeviduality into heressy. A warping of institutionalised morality unleashed on the cluster.


A common myth to justify the resentment the Minmatar resentment towards their spiritual education is that they are, in fact, of a different "race" then the Amarr, Khanid, or any other discovered in known systems. Nearly all Amarrian and Khanid scientists are in agreement that, in fact, all known sect in the known galaxy in fact came from the Eve gate. This significantly weakens the idea the Minmatar have developed of actually representing a distinct "race" when they are of the same lineage as ourselves and simply fail to recognize the significance that we are, as of yet, the only known intelligent species in the Universe. It is indeed a testament to the magnificence of the Creator's hand that the evolutionary process has not been properly observed on any other planetary body and most are of the view that the distinct sects of the Empire must have all entered through the Eve Gate. The Minmatar are ever divisive in their politics, seeking to fragment the already rebellious sects of our species into the petty and disjointed tribes they enjoin. There is no room for division among God's people. Even the Minmatar could not dispute that they are no more distinct genetically from Amarrians than they are from Gallente or Caldari peoples. People are free to chose to obey, or free to chose to rebel. But none are free from the consequences of that choice as none of our ancestors were free from the consequences of passing through the Eve Gate.

Most scientists hypothesize that we emerged from the same planetary body somewhere opposite the Eve Gate. The Minmatar will learn how further resistance against God's will for the species will only further weaken their capacity for security and safety as they, once again, degenerate into petty ideological and factional conflict.

"Does the Eagle know what is in the pit, Or wilt thou go ask the Mole? Can Wisdom be put in a silver rod, Or Love in a golden bowl?"  "Above all, you can believe in Providence in either of two ways, either as thirst believes in the orange, or as the ass believes in the whip."

Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-10-29 12:38:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Stalking Mantis
How arrogant is misinformed is man? In comparison to the Universe what is man but a mere speck of organic material.

Tis a question of faith is it not?

God needs not man. God benefits nothing from mans faith nor is it detrimental to his divinity mans lack thereof. God makes his light and the way to his favor and mercy clear and leaves man the choice to follow or forsake the way.

From time to time God chooses a man / means / race to remind man of the way to his light. One would conclude this is done through a proxy as a test of faith. If every time one of us questioned the validity of God and his way God suddenly appeared to him and preformed a miracle for him to convince him of his divine nature then the whole concept of faith, reward for it or punishment for the lack of it would be mute would it not?

The Amarr have been blessed of all the children of new eden to remind those that have walked away from Gods light of the true path leading to gods favor, mercy and salvation. They have been given the means to traverse space travel to spread the message of God throughout the Universe to those that have fallen on the darkest of times since the collapse of EVE gate.

By his mercy he shows the way to salvation, by his hand he guides the Amarr as his messengers, by his might he empowers the faithful against those that choose the darkness of pride and sin over salvation.

What is a man life but a test?

A choice between sin and vice or faith and righteousness. Free will is a test nothing more nothing less. It applies to all of Man not only those of a specific race/creed or culture.

The way is made clear to all Man to follow. Adhere to it and be saved.

Kneel and you shall be saved

Resist Gods will and be crushed by the hand of his faithful.

Stand and you shall fall.

For what is free will, if not a test of faith?

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Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#7 - 2013-10-29 20:13:27 UTC
This topic is a festering example of man's corruptive desire to be in control.

For it is man who ultimately translates all.

Biomass yourself, please.

More Character Customization :: Especially compared to what we had in 2003...

Ottom Ephesianos
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
#8 - 2013-11-12 08:29:45 UTC
ethics have failed us.
Cult xenophobia has divided us.
ritualism has confused us.
enigma has demoralized mortality.
death has quieted us.
ghosts have raped us.
Power and isk have used and abused us.

Intellectuals have abandoned soul for reason and reason for madness.
Science has forsaken humanity for results and results for profit.
The priest has neglected honesty for faith.
The politician has forsaken patriotism for terrorism.
The pilot has lost honor for duty.
The student has given up logic for success.
The teacher has succumbed to the degradations of denial; the bitter jade of ingratitude.

Mother has sacrificed youth for beauty.
Father lost lust for longevity.
The son his manhood for respect.
Our daughter her purity for religion.
Friend, trust for simplicity.
Foe, resolution for respect.

angels have bled for demons
gods have bled for man
heavens have torn the sky
stones have made a sound
Love has sacrificed itself for hate

Hell has opened it's gates
revealing
heaven on the other side.

Thank God.
Arkady Vachon
The Gold Angels
Sixth Empire
#9 - 2013-11-12 09:46:48 UTC
Vaari wrote:
Heresy.


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Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#10 - 2013-11-12 10:14:35 UTC
I love any part where people are claiming to be 'more x than original x'.

Blood Raiders, Matari Freedom Fighters, and in this case, ethnic amarrians in Ushra'khan.
All I can say is, there's institutions for this like the the Theology Council; let them do their job.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-11-12 11:05:45 UTC
That's what happens when Amarrians get brainwashed by gallenteans and their freedom propaganda.
Disgusting.
I hope Theology Council will get someday his head on a pike.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Rodric Black
Doomheim
#12 - 2013-11-12 12:42:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Rodric Black
You have clearly lost your way, the path to true enlightenment is always present and visible, one must look harder.

Alternatively, you can turn yourself in and we can arrange for a public execution, as both lesson and warning to others. At least then some good will come of this.
Mylar Hinoki
Subsidy H.R.S.
Xagenic Freymvork
#13 - 2013-11-15 20:34:18 UTC
Good to see the Empire being supportive of independent thought, as always.
Johanes Beaumonte
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#14 - 2013-11-15 22:55:21 UTC
Eh?

Ottom, I think I will pass over these silly remarks and I shall trust, as a writer once said, that "the veil of oblivion shall be dropped over them, and that they shall be no more repeated or thought of." For your sake, I hope that is so.
Marla Natryn
Doomheim
#15 - 2013-11-17 22:59:39 UTC
It is disconcerting to see so many heretical groups spring up in recent times. I have only just recently finished cauterizing the open, festering wound that was a Flame of Peace outpost and I come here to witness this heresy?

Regardless, I have done my civic and religious duty and passed on the name of the heretic to the Ministry of Internal Order. The matter is in their hands, and the outcome in God's.
Naomi Tichim
Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine
#16 - 2013-11-19 07:17:55 UTC
Stalking Mantis wrote:

Kneel and you shall be saved

Resist Gods will and be crushed by the hand of his faithful.

Stand and you shall fall.

For what is free will, if not a test of faith?


I knelt. And I was crushed. And tortured. Only by standing tall have I found my own strength.
Dangirdas Bachir
The Exiled Titans
#17 - 2013-11-19 07:36:19 UTC
Religious zealot scum.

EVE EVE STARGALACTIC CITY B I T C H

Ata Aydin Enkhashour
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-11-19 09:21:27 UTC
It is a matter of point of view. My twin brother could be considered as being of a different race from me if the mind constructions of the classifier so wished. Race is not a nature discovery, is a human concept, and therefore subject to human will only.

Any God that relies on human created concepts to be understood or conceived is a fabricated God, with fabricated powers and fabricated teachings.

Throughout history you will find that inumerous Gods were created to compel people under the control of someone, usually identified as an emissary of such God, to which that Gods will seems to always serve.

A God that cannot survive the simplest of the studies or the simplest of the abstractions is as powerless and fictionary as the knowledge that supports that God.

This is not to say there is no God, there is no Creator, or there is no Metaphisical power, but it is to say that if you know what "a God" thinks, says and wishes, then this God resides no place else than your mind.

The True God created you, and them, and everyone else, be those who they may, and therefore the True God does not tell what to do, it made you the way you are to do what you do. The True God does not classify, because the True God does not need classifications. The True God made the molecules that become matter, that become mineral and living, and as such, he understands not only the parts and the whole, but the system of generation, and for that The True God does not need you intervention, nor your cooperation. You dont need to follow the True God, because no matter what you do, you do what The True God have you to do. There is no need to have faith in the True God, because there is nothing else to have faith that does not came from the True God.

If a God cannot be everyone's God, it cannot be anyone's God.