Ships & Modules

I see your point I guess, but RNI is one of the ships that can spare 2 ECCMs or SEBOs and is already immune to TD.

Several otherwise lucrative missions have absurd ECM or dampening effects. Don't write off e-war immunity so lightly. Cruise missiles may already have the range, but short range weapons have the damage. And you'll be able to use short range weapons, even with short range T2 ammo, and still hit out plenty far enough thanks to Bastion. So between e-war immunity and more damage for clearing things faster, Marauders are looking to be quite a bit better in certain areas.

And your main mistake seems to be thinking the new marauders will be better than faction ships. They won't. By design. That's why bastion mode doesn't feature damage bonuses. Both ships will have a place.

Strikes me as an odd question. The Golem already outclasses the CNR at lvl 4s. Plus the fact that you can loot the whole thing on the fly without taking any more time. It is already the undisputed mission runner.

Add on the Bastion mod, ewar immunity and this newfangled deployable tractor beam thing and flying anything else in a lvl 4 will be reduced to making some sort of fashion statement.

You forget the dps loss of defender missiles on cruise missiles. loss of one cruise missile is 1/4 of your dps. Torpedos have higher hp and should almost always make it too target for full dps

Flying a cruise Golem, I dont notice any dps loss from defenders, not saying defenders dont work at all but their impact is minimal from my exp.

The CNR is a good mission ship but the Golem is better. EFT potential dps is just that, potential. Next patch the marauders will be a ship class that can actually get very close to their potential dps flying solo, without a lot of gimmicks and what ifs.

since 2 or 3 expansions torpedos get bunuses from skills and implants and rigs

There's not really any advantage with either.

If you have Marauder trained, you're going to use the new Golem primarily because of Bastion, the additional weapons range and to a lesser extent, the MJD bonuses. If you don't have Marauder trained or can't spring for the $1-billion price tag of a Golem, you'll get a Raven Navy Issue. Both are going to be fairly competent on L4s.

Here's some inherent differences to note with the RNI, however:
• A extra T1 hydraulic rig on the RNI is equivalent to the 25% stacking-penalized missile bonus on the Golem.
• The RNI features three (3) sentries vs. a single sentry on the Golem.
• The explosion radius on the RNI is worth twice the explosion velocity on the Golem, because of the way missile mechanics work (I don't have the link handy, but the short version is that if the explosion radius falls under the signature radius it actually offsets any difference in target speed with respect to explosion velocity; TPs don't have the same effect and the reverse is not true for explosion radius). So in terms of value: explosion radius, TP then explosion velocity.
• The RNI is faster, so with an AB you can tank some of the damage.
• With five low slots, you can run a damage control and four ballistic controls on the RNI; Bastion does not give you the same hull resistance, so if you want a damage control on the Golem as well you'll be giving up some DPS.
• You will lose less DPS to NPC defender missiles on the RNI running cruise missiles.

As for the Golem:
• The Golem gains an automatic +37.5% shield amplification bonus, and another +100% for Bastion (not including the additional armor and hull resistances). This frees up a mid slot.
• The Golem receives partial T2 resistances (more thermal and kinetic)
• The Golem features a +50% TP effectiveness bonus, so 1 TP essentially = 2 TP - freeing up another mid slot.
• Golem gets another high slot, so if you opt not to run Bastion you have another utility slot.
• The Golem can salvage on the go and/or run smart bombs, something the RNI can't do without sacrificing DPS.

I would run them both on the test server before drawing that conclusion.

As it stands, its already advantageous to run the Golem on Tranquility if you are not strictly blitzing.

Have you ever flown a torp golem? it 1 or 2 shots almost everything that isn't a battleship and can 2 or 3 shot battleships

the problem with it is that it's slow and lacks range, the reason i will never use one again.

Marauders are imune to ewar so the ceptor can look at you but nothing else.