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[Rubicon] Renaming some autocannons to actually be called autocannons

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Wibla
Tactical Narcotics Team
#21 - 2013-10-21 20:02:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Wibla
It already is a BFG

Oh and snipe?
Kynric
Sky Fighters
Rote Kapelle
#22 - 2013-10-21 20:18:03 UTC
If you are going to go to the trouble of renaming them, why dont you actually standardize them all. Instead of "machine gun", "repeating cannon" and "automatic cannon", wouldnt it be simpler if they were all just "AutoCannon?"
GeeShizzle MacCloud
#23 - 2013-10-21 20:21:06 UTC  |  Edited by: GeeShizzle MacCloud
CCP FoxFour wrote:

Subject - [Rubicon] Renaming some autocannons to actually be called autocannons


Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery and all its variations have been renamed as follows:

  • Dual 650mm Carbine Repeating Cannon I
  • Dual 650mm Gallium Machine Gun
  • Dual 650mm Prototype Automatic Cannon


800mm Repeating Artillery and all its variations have been renamed as follows:

  • 800mm Heavy Carbine Repeating Cannon I
  • 800mm Heavy Gallium Machine Gun
  • 800mm Heavy Prototype Automatic Cannon


6x2500mm Repeating AutoCannon and all its variations have been renamed as follows:

  • 6x2500mm Heavy Gallium Machine Gun


Let me know if I have missed something in these weapons and their renaming.



think ive augmented your post to reflect my observations that seem entirely at odds with your intentions.

also thanks for requiring me to have to sift through all of our corp/alliance fittings now in forums and our IGB doctrine listings to have to change fits or else it'll not work in EFT/EveHQ updates and IGB fitting popups.
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#24 - 2013-10-21 23:02:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Bienator II
CCP FoxFour wrote:

6x2500mm Repeating AutoCannon and all its variations have been renamed as follows:

  • 6x2500mm Heavy Gallium Machine Gun
  • 6x2500mm AutoCannon I


maybe hexa instead of 6x to be consistent with "Dual" and "Quad" as found in other names?

Hexa 2500mm Heavy Gallium Machine Gun
Dual 180mm Gallium Machine Gun

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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#25 - 2013-10-21 23:09:41 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Nicen Jehr wrote:
Why do you camel case AutoCannon, I suggest using `Autocannon` everywhere


Just following the convention already set out.

there is no convention if its spelled differently everywhere ;)

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Texty
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-10-22 00:40:57 UTC
Clatita wrote:
I admit that it is not "idiot"-proof but I actually liked eve when it wasn't ... CCP is now only working on making everything more ... well ... "idiot"-proof. Reorganising skills, changing a lot of names on things (siege launchers => torpedo launcher ... because omg it's soooo hard to remember that torpedoes will be launched from siege launchers), "rebalancing" ships (many of the ships were actually pretty useful the way they were even if they were not the last tier) and so on ...

Basically this game is getting more and more "******"-friendly (to change the term a bit.)


CCP Ytterbium wrote:
Don't you think changing skill names is "dumbing the game down"?

  • EVE gameplay and sense of loss should be harsh, dark and unforgiving, in that there is no doubt and we agree completely. However, fighting the UI at every turn should not be the main complexity point here - it just means players have become used to an old and outdated interface for too long. Simply put, the hard and unforgiving nature of EVE should not be to retrieve information on a basic level, it should be on how players act based on that information and interact with the gameplay that revolves around it.
(https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3301378#post3301378)
Hannott Thanos
Squadron 15
#27 - 2013-10-22 08:17:45 UTC
Clatita wrote:
What would make more sense than "If you are wondering why, basically because it was stupid before and stupid needs to be fixed. I think most of these were actually supposed to be artileries when first created based on the item they were copied from and then later made into autocannons. Just their names and descriptions were never properly updated." would probably be:

They were called repeating artilleries because they were basically smaller sized artilleries (hence "artillery") which were shooting very fast (hence "repeating") and to make them shoot faster you need more CPU / PG.

I admit that it is not "idiot"-proof but I actually liked eve when it wasn't ... CCP is now only working on making everything more ... well ... "idiot"-proof. Reorganising skills, changing a lot of names on things (siege launchers => torpedo launcher ... because omg it's soooo hard to remember that torpedoes will be launched from siege launchers), "rebalancing" ships (many of the ships were actually pretty useful the way they were even if they were not the last tier) and so on ...

Basically this game is getting more and more "******"-friendly (to change the term a bit.)



Maybe CCP should implement, just for you, so that every time you open your skill sheet, all the skills are in one tab called "skills" and they have a random organization every time. Because not having a UI that suck balls make the game a lot worse right?

while (CurrentSelectedTarget.Status == ShipStatus.Alive) {

     _myShip.FireAllGuns(CurrentSelectedTarget);

}
Cassiel Seraphim
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2013-10-22 10:41:47 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Nicen Jehr wrote:
Why do you camel case AutoCannon, I suggest using `Autocannon` everywhere


Just following the convention already set out.

Please reconsider running a quick script to rename "AutoCannon" to "Autocannon", you're already making changes to the naming so why not fix the inconsistency that exists?

- The skillbook is called "Large Autocannon Specialization".
- Descriptions refer to them as "autocannons".
- The market group is called "Autocannons".

So again, please, while you're at it, fix that.
Jureth22
EVE-RO
Goonswarm Federation
#29 - 2013-10-23 20:24:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Jureth22
question

if for example you have a unit of republic fleet emp M,how can you fitt it in guns with different sizes?like 180/220/425mm.

the size of the ammo remains the same only the guns size differs :D.is the ammo universal?why couldnt i fit a republic fleet emp M in a 1400mm gun?

why not proper rename guns like rails/ac/artillery? take example from blaster (electron/ion/neutron)
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#30 - 2013-10-23 21:25:23 UTC
Why "machine guns"?

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#31 - 2013-10-23 21:30:45 UTC
How about we fix some of the laser names too? They have just about the same problem.

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Qweasdy
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2013-10-23 22:36:52 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:

If you are wondering why, basically because it was stupid before and stupid needs to be fixed.


While you're at it can you make drone control units passive... there is quite literally no reason for them to be active...

This is a terrible thread. As such, it's locked. - CCP Falcon
David Kir
Errantry Armaments
#33 - 2013-10-23 23:33:16 UTC
Sweet, now can we have Howitzers renamed "BFG"s and Mega Pulses "PEW PEW LAZORS"?

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2013-10-24 04:13:45 UTC
Eagles, fire on target! I repeat, Eagles, fire on target! It's your last shot, make it your best!

Eagle six, Fox four!

(that's what I always think of when I see your name CCP FoxFour) Lol

Anyway, I much support this. I also had an idea to keep some of the old cool names while still upgrading to a newer naming convention: the words should be in an order such that sorting the items alphabetically automatically sorts them by category and sub-category, with the cool name at the end in single quotes. Here's some examples for ammo:


Ammo, Hybrid S II Blaster Longrange 'Null'
Ammo, Hybrid S II Railgun Longrange 'Spike'
Ammo, Hybrid L Longrange 'Tungsten'
Ammo, Hybrid XL Midrange 'Iridium'
Ammo, Laser S Midrange 'Ultraviolet'
Ammo, Laser S Shortrange 'Gamma'
Ammo, Laser S Shortrange 'Multifrequency'
Ammo, Laser S Shortrange 'X-Ray'
Ammo, Missile L Thermal 'Cataclysm' Cruise Missile
Ammo, Missile M Thermal 'Widowmaker' Heavy Missile
Ammo, Missile S Kinetic 'Bloodclaw' Light Missile
Ammo, Projectile M Midrange 'Titanium Sabot'
Ammo, Projectile M Shortrange 'EMP'
Ammo, Projectile M Shortrange 'Fusion'
Ammo, Rocket L II Thermal Heavy 'Bane Rage' Torpedo
Ammo, Rocket L Kinetic 'Juggernaut' Torpedo
Ammo, Rocket L Thermal 'Bane' Torpedo
Ammo, Rocket M Kinetic 'Terror' Heavy Assault Missile
Ammo, Rocket S EM 'Gremlin' Rocket
Ammo, Rocket S Explosive 'Phalanx' Rocket
Ammo, Rocket S Thermal 'Foxfire' Rocket

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Yummy Chocolate
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2013-10-24 06:52:49 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
While we're talking about art assets, maybe the 800s can get some actual barrels inside their rotating cylinders, much like Valkyries have on their guns.


also 220mm autocannons.

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Yummy Chocolate
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2013-10-24 06:54:09 UTC
Nicen Jehr wrote:
Why do you camel case AutoCannon, I suggest using `Autocannon` everywhere

AUTOCANNON ALL THE THINGS

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raawe
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2013-10-24 07:27:45 UTC  |  Edited by: raawe
Why Machine Gun? You just said that you want them to be called AutoCanons. IMO name everything AutoCanon and be done with it :D Don't mix names again plz
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2013-10-24 07:59:31 UTC
This is the first stage of rebalancing and generally fixing HMG's, AR's, and the by extention Heavy and Scout suits...

... What?

No Worries
Lina Miaoke
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#39 - 2013-10-24 08:18:03 UTC
Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery and all its variations have been renamed as follows:

  • Domination Dual 650mm AutoCannon
  • Dual 650mm 'Scout' AutoCannon
  • Dual 650mm AutoCannon I
  • Dual 650mm AutoCannon II
  • Dual 650mm Carbine AutoCannon
  • Dual 650mm Gallium AutoCannon
  • Dual 650mm Prototype AutoCannon
  • Gotan's Modified Dual 650mm AutoCannon
  • Mizuro's Modified Dual 650mm AutoCannon
  • Republic Fleet Dual 650mm AutoCannon


800mm Repeating Artillery and all its variations have been renamed as follows:

  • 800mm AutoCannon I
  • 800mm AutoCannon II
  • 800mm Heavy 'Jolt' AutoCannon
  • 800mm Heavy 'Scout' AutoCannon
  • 800mm Heavy Carbine AutoCannon
  • 800mm Heavy Gallium AutoCannon
  • 800mm Heavy Prototype AutoCannon
  • Domination 800mm AutoCannon
  • Gotan's Modified 800mm AutoCannon
  • Mizuro's Modified 800mm AutoCannon
  • Republic Fleet 800mm AutoCannon


6x2500mm Repeating AutoCannon and all its variations have been renamed as follows:

  • 6x2500mm Heavy Gallium AutoCannon
  • 6x2500mm AutoCannon I


Should be more like this. Only Meta 1 and T2 should have I or II next to it's name. Change the names of all guns type group it belongs to would be nice too.
Dav Varan
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#40 - 2013-10-24 08:29:04 UTC
Lina Miaoke wrote:
Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery and all its variations have been renamed as follows:

  • Domination Dual 650mm AutoCannon
  • Dual 650mm 'Scout' AutoCannon
  • Dual 650mm AutoCannon I
  • Dual 650mm AutoCannon II
  • Dual 650mm Carbine AutoCannon
  • Dual 650mm Gallium AutoCannon
  • Dual 650mm Prototype AutoCannon
  • Gotan's Modified Dual 650mm AutoCannon
  • Mizuro's Modified Dual 650mm AutoCannon
  • Republic Fleet Dual 650mm AutoCannon


800mm Repeating Artillery and all its variations have been renamed as follows:

  • 800mm AutoCannon I
  • 800mm AutoCannon II
  • 800mm Heavy 'Jolt' AutoCannon
  • 800mm Heavy 'Scout' AutoCannon
  • 800mm Heavy Carbine AutoCannon
  • 800mm Heavy Gallium AutoCannon
  • 800mm Heavy Prototype AutoCannon
  • Domination 800mm AutoCannon
  • Gotan's Modified 800mm AutoCannon
  • Mizuro's Modified 800mm AutoCannon
  • Republic Fleet 800mm AutoCannon


6x2500mm Repeating AutoCannon and all its variations have been renamed as follows:

  • 6x2500mm Heavy Gallium AutoCannon
  • 6x2500mm AutoCannon I


Should be more like this. Only Meta 1 and T2 should have I or II next to it's name. Change the names of all guns type group it belongs to would be nice too.


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