Missions & Complexes

Not really as finishing off the site quicker brings it up for respawn quicker

I really like that suggestion, although i suspect CCP will simply copy the way Ghost sites work (and nerf the loot)

Been using exploration of data and relic sites as means of income for some time now. So I'm getting fairly used to the spew mechanic.

However, I will be glad to see it gone. Mostly because, it does not bring anything to the table. It was meant for people to do exploration in groups. However, it didn't turn out to promote that kind of gameplay at all.

I hope CCP will make more use of the great hacking game instead. As I quickly skimmed through the thread, I saw ideas like booby traps, new nodes etc.

As it stands now, there is no risk involved in exploration (data/relic sites). I use a no tank T2 covops to run nullsec sites. With the removal of NPCs from the sites, there is no need for me to fit anything combat related, since it would decrease my efficiency of running the sites.

I am not a big fan of having no risk activities in EVE. Now obviously, people could just wait in ambush to kill my covops in the site, however, if you play it safe, you will never lose your ship in the sites. And waiting in sites for other people becomes really boring, meaning the risk of other players killing you, decreases as people figure out it is a long wait for a single kill (been there, done that). There is more risk of losing it to the random smartbomb on a gate, and chances of that happening is really slim.

I like the idea of having booby trap nodes, which would force me to fit some kind of tank, as a safety buffer. But I think there are many ways to do this, and I suppose it's only up for CCP to choose some interesting ways to lose our ships.

I am glad that CCP is taking exploration up for another review, and I am excited to see what summer will bring.

Summer is coming people :D

More loot in the pool? It was designed for groups, but as group activity not 2x more loot for them.
Data sites are crap compare to relics. Loot tables must be looked anyway.

This is where CCP Seagul got it wrong, explorers have never been group players. The early CCP devs understood this as evidenced by this post in 2006. Only tough complexes were meant for group play.

https://www.eveonline.com/expansions/revelations/



Edit: By removing rats from site's CCP has made it even more likely that exploration would be a solo activity, not a group one which flies in the face of the intended purpose of the loot scattering mechanic.

I wouldn't be surprised if this has been the situation since the release of Rubicon, when the solar aystem map suddenly started opening with an insane maximum zoom-in setting instead of showing a general view of the whole system as it did previously, making exploration a right PITA.

To be honest, loot spew doesn't bother me. In fact I embrace it and I think it's good.

Just because you succeed at the hacking shouldn't guarantee you get the loot. If I complete a combat site I'm not guaranteed a juicy loot drop. I have to be lucky and with hacking sites you stack the odds in your favour by knowing what's going to be spewed out allowing you to prioritize which cans to go for.

The only issue I have with hacking sites now is the inconsistancy between data and relic sites. Data sites are second rate to relic sites (especially in Null and less so in low sec) and also the way relic sites don't spread their loot accross all the cans. Also, there are several issues with the loot tables and the fact that some items that drop regularly are not consumable.

I think if the loot tables and loot "spread" were balanced and data sites in null got a slight buff to loot, hacking sites would be just fine.

However, loot spew is being removed and with it a level of difficulty and complexity to the game. All because people can't deal with not getting the loot everytime and can't adapt or HTFU.

I will be sad to see it go if there isn't something put in it's place like leveled or layered hacking windows because just getting the loot everytime (lets face it, not many hacking games are that difficult when fitted correctly) is a step backwards.


TL;DR
I think loot spew should stay.
If it doesn't, hacking should be more difficult or layered to not guarantee a full loot drop.


You all should know that I am posting this from work where it is mandatory for me to wear fire retardant clothing

People say it's annoying because you have to click on things to get your loot and you can potentially fail by clicking on the wrong cans. Big-Effin'-Deal. HTFU and get over it. The system works and it is being changed simply because people think it is annoying and "reward stealing". I disagree with both of these points. This is my opinion which I have a right to.



Having to pre plan which loot cans you will prioritize during the loot spew is a level of complexity over just handing it out. I feel this is a step backwards towards the old system where you just sat and watched the module cycle until you got given the loot. Yes we have the mini game but I feel the loot spew added more depth and complexity.

I will be all in favour of a new mechanic which keeps the complexity like a multi layer hack where you have to find the loot in the system before unlocking it.

We also lose the ability to steal loot from someone else hacking without loot spew.


Yes. Loot Spew has issues but I believe these issues are mainly in the loot tables and the fact that some items are persistant when they really should be consumables

After two weeks in low, doing explo i can get 100% loot from cans (+ slot 10 implant). Yep i HTFU, but again this was done for group of explorers. Nobody do exploration in groups because its random (WH maybe). This was not build to randomize loot we can get and reduce our income. Now we get mechanism that serves no purpose and have technical flaws. This is step backward not forward + it doesn't even have sense (explorers are so stupid they can't prevent cargo from being jettison into space?). Hacking is improvement.



3 types of can. A plan? Most of cans in data will be parts, BPC are crap anywanyso you won't go for data. Relics - parts/materials. This is so complex.



I always like a good joke. Stratios land on site, i have 30 mil in cargo, in defenseless covop and watch me how i will compete with him on spew cans.

Do you even explore?



Sure. Thats what forums are for.

I see you've mastered the loot spew. One day you'll be ready to give this a go.