EVE General Discussion

This thread again.

Awesome.

Yep, and it'll keep happening until highsec isn't horribly out of balance.

posting in an Improved Cloaking Device II "I need more victims in lowsec for my killboard" thread

If u raise minimum wage whilst keeping everyone elses wage static it has exactly the same effect as keeping the minimum wage where it is and lowering all the others.
This might be tricky for you so try this.
If everyone was given a mountain of gold would we all be rich?
or would gold be worthless?

So if you increase the supply of money either prices rise or demand drops. vice versa.
Wealth is a relative term and is the differential between the richest and poorest

While the OP failed to give a single reason for nerfing high sec that makes sense, he did give a few for banning ISBoxer and other multiboxing tools. I'm a part of a high sec mining fleet for at least a couple of hours every day and I can tell you I bring in about 15 to 20 million an hour. With T1 mining crystals and the Orca boosts I get 1880 m3 per 121.8 second cycle. After an asteroid is depleted I have to manually switch my strip miner to a new asteroid. But that's okay, since I have a single Mackinaw. My friend has a few barges/exhumers and he too has to manually switch targets. Now another guy we know has 40 accounts. He uses ISBoxer to automatically target, lock and mine a single rock with all 40 of his barges. He takes in far more ISK per ship than us simply because he saves so much time by only having to input a single command to get all 40 of his ships to act. If he had to actually play all 40 accounts, he'd make far less than us because of the time lost changing clients and entering individual commands. That's what the OP means when they say mining. He's not talking about a group of friends talking on TS3 whilst their lasers cycle. He's probably a middle aged man, likely from the US like I am, that's probably on some sort of government assistance(disability or welfare), which unfortunately I'm not, likely overweight, and he definitely spends a lot of timing thinking the wealthy owe him something. This man is likely unhappy, has been divorced, and trends towards anti-social behavior. Obviously playing a multiplayer game with 50 pretend friends isn't helping. We must help these people! Ban ISBoxer so that he can be freed from his parents' basement, and maybe see a real human being again!

Ugh. But it's so tedious making the same simple data-supported points over and over and oh look, thread #12,053 just got posted by some genius who thinks his ideas are so amazingly original that he couldn't possibly put them into the existing thread on page 3, so let's do it over one more time.

I know that persistence is an essential component of advocating change, but really there comes a point where it does more harm than good. Is anyone going to change their mind because of this thread? Will a single remotely new or original argument be made? Will any new information that wasn't in the 12,052 other threads on this very topic come to light?

Dude. I have made tons of isk in low/null PVE where no hisec L4s, mining (or whatever PVE) can make so much isk.

Maybe the problem is elsewhere. Maybe the problem is that most of low/null dwellers are just too dumb to learn how to effectively juice isk from low/null PVE.

Maybe we can TLDR your post to this one: "I dont know how to earn isk, lets nerf those who can"

it's like fighting the hydra. if the hydra was posting on an npc alt.

The reason many players avoid low and null is not ISK. What they are avoiding is Adrenaline.

For many people the adrenaline rush feels bad and is something to be avoided. Chribba even said he fells that way in his presentation at Eve Vegas. As nothing in the OPs post was geared to reducing the confrontational interactions of low and null, those who do not like adrenaline will continue to play in high accepting what they can get, or move to a different game. What they will not do is move to low or null. Why would they want to play a game that makes them feel bad for fake space money?

High sec needs to be a viable place to play for players who like a calm easy going area with cooperative and competitive interactions with other players.

Low needs to be a viable place to play for those players who like the adrenaline rush that comes from confrontational interactions with other players.

Null needs to be a viable place to play for those who want to empire build, or knock down.

W fits in there somehow, Im not sure how to word it (and I live there.....).

"CCP" is a slippery concept here. There are hundreds of people who work for CCP. Some of them most definitely see it as an issue.