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Hi-sec profits need to be nerfed in order to expand player activity into low/null

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#21 - 2013-10-21 05:51:48 UTC
Iudicium Vastus wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Amariancitizen 55667 wrote:
here is an even better idea. lets get CCP to go though every acct in the game and just delete 95% of all the wealth. that way the richest will loose more money the the poorest.

Good thing all my value isn't in isk.


Wealth would include assets as well.

It would be nice if 95% of the supercaps were gone, I admit.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#22 - 2013-10-21 05:52:30 UTC
And all of the blap dreads as well. And sentry carriers. And dominixes...

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Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#23 - 2013-10-21 06:15:51 UTC
Reese Armgo wrote:
You can reduce the income in Highsec by 75% and people would still be sitting there. Because its convinient. The market is around the Corner, you dont need a scout to jump two systems. You can fly more expensive ships with little risk to losing it.
And most importantly: You can do stuff on your own schedule

In lowsec you have to constantly watch local, watch D-scan for probes, be constantly aligned, you have to pay attention all the fuckin time. Thats work. You might not even be able to leave the station/system because of the Pirates, which can only be get worse with more Mission runners in lowsec.


Actually no you don't. What you need to do is have an organisation that is sufficiently local that you can divide the universe into reds, neuts and blues, and that subsequent to that division, a meaningful proportion of all the traffic falls into the blue category, which reduces your vigilance overhead.

There is a brutal reality in an MMO the size and scope of EVE, that part of the process of securing your operations is social in nature.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2013-10-21 06:48:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Maliandra wrote:
Hi,
I am a full out carebear that rarely ever leaves hi-sec. I make several billion in profit each month (after calculating PLEX payments for each account) off mission running and mining with my fleet. If things stay this way I will have immense amounts of ISK to my name before I even know it.
As such I am honestly one of the last people who should speak out against hi-sec profits. But I am. I believe game balance is more important than my personal profit and what we have here is a lack of game balance.

Right now a person can make more ISK/hour (consistently) mining with a fleet in hi-sec than they can anywhere else doing anything else, with one exception: Hi-sec multibox mission runner/hauler ganking.
The scenario we have is thus: The biggest ISK earners are doing so in hi-sec, and the biggest ISK takers are also doing so in hi-sec.

This is counter to the entire point of low/null sec - increased risk for potential increase in reward.

I will not go into the details of exactly why hi-sec is so profitable, I hope discussion in this thread can touch on that. ]However I will relay an idea here.

We could commit these changes to hi-sec:
- Reduce bounties and agent payments for hi-sec missions.
- Reduce the amount of ores in hi-sec that are not Veldspar and Plagioclase.
- Reduce the quantities per rock to 2 cycles max and commonly just 1.


What does this result in?
- Mission running in low/null - with a disposable fit - would now be more profitable than running them in hisec.
- Only small time miners can really keep up in hi-sec. Large scale mining fleets will struggle to find belts with large enough per rock quantities to be worth their time. Very few large scale mining fleets are willing to lock onto a new rock with each barge every time a cycle is completed.

Carebears are only willing to put themselves in danger if there is a significant profit incentive. As of right now the profit incentive really isn't there, coupled with the fact that we make more than we desire anyways in hi-sec.

Profit reduction in hi-sec = Increased profit margin for low/null = Increased activity in low/null

Seems like a simple enough formula...

As such the big ISK earners in hi-sec will need to move their butts into low/null if they hope to keep up the profits.

Whens the last time you made 4 billion in highsec on a Saturday afternoon solo in a HAC?

Also the people running multiple accounts, (I just subbed 7 accounts last night with my Saturdays earnings), are paying for those accounts. It cost me 7 x 600 million isk. I'm not going to mission or mine with them I'm going to gank people but those that do mission and mine are paying billions per month to do so.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#25 - 2013-10-21 06:51:10 UTC
Wormholes to nullsec.
Past the gate camps and gank pipelines.
ISK to be made in peace.


(Haiku - riding off on Ox now)

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
oOReikaOo Michiko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2013-10-21 06:54:06 UTC
Ja..James315 is that you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfSDNPFCPfY
Mythrandier
Solace Corp
#27 - 2013-10-21 07:03:33 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:

You all sound like those window-licking antivax derpists and science-denier fundie religious types that flood my country with their stupidity (I swear to s**t, if it gets any worse, I'm going to leave, move to Iceland, and be CCP Guard's flatmate). stop America-ing up my EVE.



This actually made me chuckle Big smile

"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." -  D. Adams.
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#28 - 2013-10-21 07:09:33 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
OP:

1. Shut up
2. No, that's totally all I got for this one....


I would like to add to this by saying...

Just because an idea seems good in your head...doesn't mean it's actually good.

Just saying.

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#29 - 2013-10-21 07:20:32 UTC
Maliandra wrote:
Maximillan Lancaster wrote:
TL;DR: I already made my profit, so **** everyone else who wants to make low-risk ISK.
I'd defend that by saying I haven't made a fraction of what I hope to, or a fraction of what the majority of hi-sec veterans have... but here's a better thing to say: Why are you obsessed with me?

Please stop replying to my posts you have the logic of a 5 year old, no offense.


a guy who doesn't leave hi-sec is telling us why we should go live in low...

I lolled

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Mascha Tzash
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2013-10-21 07:24:10 UTC
I love when people think they can push players into lower security areas and instead they are pushing them out of the game.

Some people have something called "life" and have to attend to this too. They playstyle a "carebear" sports is one of recreation and relaxation (at least this is my playstyle). I don't really care how big my income is as long as I can play the game as I want to and for the short and limited time I desire to play. Not beeing "forced" to come online at 3 AM for a CTA or having to do pixellabour to pay a pixelrent for some pixelspace is very convenient for me.

It's a game I play with my 3 24"-screens for my 1 client just for the beauty. I buy myself some ships to see them roaming the heavens and spit out some ammo and not to see them explode or to enforce some "castle-in-the-sky" empire. And I pay the RL-price with pleasure and even sometimes a plex (wich might have payed your gametime in the past).

Thinking of this... If noone would buy plex anymore, would that drive out all those "I make gazillion ISK per nanosecond" guys and make eve a better place to play?

fly safe
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#31 - 2013-10-21 07:25:07 UTC
This thread again?

*removes eyes, washes with bleach, inserts back into eyesockets*

"I am not obliged to attend to every ball I am invited to"

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2013-10-21 07:31:22 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
This thread again?

*removes eyes, washes with bleach, inserts back into eyesockets*

"I am not obliged to attend to every ball I am invited to"

you should dilute that bleach 1/1000 parts or you'll go deaf :(

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Samuel Moore Walton
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#33 - 2013-10-21 07:32:48 UTC
SOMERblink is how I made all of my ISK, I now have over 11 Trillion ISK in assets and THREE SUPER CARRIERs.

Forget missioning and BLINK your way to the STARS!
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#34 - 2013-10-21 07:49:19 UTC
Maliandra wrote:

I don't understand the concept of balance



Fixed.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#35 - 2013-10-21 07:59:36 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
This thread again?

*removes eyes, washes with bleach, inserts back into eyesockets*

"I am not obliged to attend to every ball I am invited to"

you should dilute that bleach 1/1000 parts or you'll go deaf :(


What? What? WHAAAT? Did you said something?

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
No Means No
meh fackit
#36 - 2013-10-21 08:01:19 UTC
Yes.
Hypercake Mix
#37 - 2013-10-21 08:43:29 UTC
Maliandra wrote:
OP

Just because you like doing mining and missions for large amounts of time doesn't mean everyone else does.

And if you make it too tedious to recover from getting utterly crushed, people will just "**** that"-quit. Then you run out of losers to shoot at.
destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Rogue Drone Recovery Syndicate
#38 - 2013-10-21 08:59:28 UTC
New Plan CCP allow Dreads,Carriers, Titans and Super's in HS, i think some highsec peeps who claim they got so much isk need to see what its like when they cant make isk ShockedBig smile
Sheldor Amouh
#39 - 2013-10-21 09:02:51 UTC
If you think there is game imbalance because of high/ low/null sec stop mining in high sec and move to null. It is ever so ironic that a game touted as a sandbox where you can do whatever you want has such a high percentage of its player base insisting the game be changed because there are people not doing what someone else wants them to.

Buzzards gotta eat, same as worms.
Lina Theist
Running out of Space
EDGE Alliance
#40 - 2013-10-21 09:13:33 UTC
More LP, less isk