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Why do so many see EvE as "shoot at other people PvP" game?

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Enduros
UK Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#141 - 2013-10-21 22:32:40 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
General Discussion, more like skillless scrub discussion eh

so much for forums pvp

I can't tell who is winning
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#142 - 2013-10-21 22:49:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Eram Fidard
You come so close in your OP...

Enduros wrote:
Dropping a bunch of bombers on someone is funny.
Yes, but it's not so simple. Have you tried it? A well-executed blackops drop is a good deal more challenging/exciting/rewarding than that.

Enduros wrote:
If you compare EvE to something like quake, dota or starcraft you will need to admit that...
...they are completely different games with different skill sets that all require a tremendous level of training and practice at the highest level of play. Like EVE.

Enduros wrote:
I love getting the perfect rocket-plasma-rail combo in quake, I love a perfectly timed combo in a dota teamfight and I like they way I placed my units in starcraft as they destroyed the other guy's army without me having to worry about someone not aligning or flying out of rep range


I'm not entirely convinced that you've pvp'd in eve. The adrenaline rush of a close-fought hour-long match in starcraft is absolutely dwarfed by a five minute intense fleet fight. The most perfect rocket-jump to railgun-in-the-face combo has nothing on blapping an interceptor that has you pinned down and escaping from under the teeth of a hostile fleet. Executing that combo in dota or lol feels great, but I'm sorry it just does not compare to being in a losing situation and having a friend de-cloak in a falcon to save the day.

The reason you are 'playing the game wrong' is not your unwillingness to pvp, but your attitude. I highly doubt you'd be making this post if you had an actual pvp history and not just two high-value losses recently.


Might as well have named the thread Pandemic Legion Killed my Carrier, Remove PvP!

Or how about Why don't ec-300s jam an interceptor? Plz Hlp

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BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
#143 - 2013-10-22 00:00:02 UTC
Enduros wrote:
Just looked at the topics on the forums and many threads have something in the lines of "eve is a pvp game, remove hi-sec, all miners must die, all carebears must be ganked, need force-undock module, etc" Basically if you aren't flying around trying to shoot at other people you are playing the game wrong and should just biomass yourself. I'm interested in where this is coming from. Obviously it mostly comes up for trolling purposes, but a great deal of people do subscribe to this notion and are unwilling to see past it and I would like to know why that is.



TLDR

Why do some people refuse to see past the above notion? Because that IS the game for them. If you met the people behind the screen who state the above you would most likely understand them better, but you have not met them and you don't understand why they don't think like you.

But why should everyone think alike in this game? Isn't that what makes the game more fascinating? ...and they get to post it as well.. YAY! lol. Some are pretty scary I must admit. But leave it that way I say. Gives me more to laugh about.

and all miners should be ganked at least once IMO Bear

I'm not a carebear... I'm a SPACE BARBIE!  Now... where's Ken?
Enduros
UK Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#144 - 2013-10-22 00:03:07 UTC
Eram Fidard wrote:

I'm not entirely convinced that you've pvp'd in eve. The adrenaline rush of a close-fought hour-long match in starcraft is absolutely dwarfed by a five minute intense fleet fight. The most perfect rocket-jump to railgun-in-the-face combo has nothing on blapping an interceptor that has you pinned down and escaping from under the teeth of a hostile fleet. Executing that combo in dota or lol feels great, but I'm sorry it just does not compare to being in a losing situation and having a friend de-cloak in a falcon to save the day.

I've had these situations and they are absolutely awesome. Problem is they don't come about too often

Eram Fidard wrote:

The reason you are 'playing the game wrong' is not your unwillingness to pvp, but your attitude. I highly doubt you'd be making this post if you had an actual pvp history and not just two high-value losses over the last two months.

Might as well have named the thread Pandemic Legion Killed my Carrier, Remove PvP!

Or how about Why don't ec-300s jam an interceptor? Plz Hlp

Been waiting for these to come up. The mach wasn't mine and was caught on gate with 8 cynas while my mate was using my toon to move his assets out of FA space.

The carrier was just a bad cyno, but I was reimbursed so no harm done.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#145 - 2013-10-22 00:11:22 UTC
I highly advise to not fessing up to account sharing, as that is a perma ban level offense in most circumstances.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Enduros
UK Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#146 - 2013-10-22 00:13:44 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I highly advise to not fessing up to account sharing, as that is a perma ban level offense in most circumstances.

As a way to access FA space I mean, obviously.
Maximillan Lancaster
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#147 - 2013-10-22 00:17:51 UTC
No novels, please.
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#148 - 2013-10-22 00:56:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Silvetica Dian
Enduros wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
Quote:
You mean on to selected others, right? Because judging from recent kills all it takes is fitting a point and both you and him would not engage.
Whose recent kills?
In case you're talking about me... I was deliberately not bringing myself into this,
although i have examples of my own that would show that single individuals can project a lot of force.

I picked Kane, because he's a pretty (pun intended xD) example.
Bringing myself into this would just scream bias.

Force projection usually is about selected others, unless one achieves world domination.

How does it matter who or how many the force is projected on?

As long as single people can make groups of people apologize publicly (as example)
force is projected successfully... no?

Can't call it unsuccessful, however not very far-reaching as getting someone to apologize bears little consequence for the rest of us. We have also wondered far off the topic about how eve combat pvp is held in too high regard for what it in practice.



Yet we have rooks and kings. We have BL. We have a multitude of other pvp entities that punch above their weight. On a smaller scale everyday we see stories of one pilot taking on small gangs or even fleets. Just because you and I can't achieve this doesn't mean eve pvp lacks skill. It means we lack skill. I have flown in PVP with enough pilots to see enormous differences in skill and outcome from solo to small gang to large fleets. The people that can see the skill that goes into eve pvp at least have the chance to improve. (My ambition is to attain adequacy) the rest of you can stick with your delusions of adequecy /blobbing/ f1 / whatever.
At its elite level single pilots can denude large fleets of their scouts and tackle. CFC can lose titans from within their superfleet and with a full BS support fleet to a small gang. station systems that should have been safe are lost because rooks and kings pipebombed the contesting fleet. Hundred man corps fall to CK alone. every day battle is joined with the smaller fleet with lower SP and lower isk value defeating the larger fleet due to intel, or superior FC'ing or better piloting.
I know after every engagement i look back in shame at the errors i made. Maybe some of you would profit from subjecting your own piloting to the same scutiny.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Sar Carstic
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#149 - 2013-10-22 01:29:01 UTC
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
[quote=Gargep Farrow][quote=Iudicium Vastus]

Thing is though if miners did have a fighting chance of seeing off gankers, they wouldn't get ganked. This says a lot more about gankers than miners, who are eves real carebears as there is no risk to what they do.


That is possibly the finest and most accurate thing that has ever been said in these forums. I am neither ganker nor miner so not coming from a biased viewpoint, but that is just beautiful.

Gentlemen you can't fight in here, this is the War Room!
Maliandra
Doomheim
#150 - 2013-10-22 01:30:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Maliandra
Most people who are all in-your-face about how awesome PVP is and how lame you are for doing PVE are just not very intelligent.

Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of intelligent people that engage in PVP. But they are able to recognize why some people might be motivated to do mission running or mining.

When you find someone who thinks he's "cool" or you're "not cool" based on how you play an internet space ship video game, you can be sure that person is quite stupid.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#151 - 2013-10-22 02:32:23 UTC
Maliandra wrote:
Most people who are all in-your-face about how awesome PVP is and how lame you are for doing PVE are just not very intelligent.

Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of intelligent people that engage in PVP. But they are able to recognize why some people might be motivated to do mission running or mining.

When you find someone who thinks he's "cool" or you're "not cool" based on how you play an internet space ship video game, you can be sure that person is quite stupid.


I consider myself to be rather intelligent. But I still cannot see why someone would enjoy mining unless they like boredom. Missions are tolerable, but I don't pay CCP for tolerable, I pay them to have fun.

It's a very simple fact. EVE has some of the worst PvE in the industry. Pick anything, even the recent failures like GW2, TOR or Defiance, they have more engaging and interesting PvE than EVE does. STO beats it flat out too, if you want to stay in the same genre.

Why you would buy a game, then single out the two least fun things about it and devote yourself exclusively to those things, is beyond me.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#152 - 2013-10-22 08:53:05 UTC
Sar Carstic wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
[quote=Gargep Farrow][quote=Iudicium Vastus]

Thing is though if miners did have a fighting chance of seeing off gankers, they wouldn't get ganked. This says a lot more about gankers than miners, who are eves real carebears as there is no risk to what they do.


That is possibly the finest and most accurate thing that has ever been said in these forums. I am neither ganker nor miner so not coming from a biased viewpoint, but that is just beautiful.


There are numerous countermeasures miners could undertake. Almost without exception, they don't bother, because for all the wailing about how bad ganking is, it happens so rarely to any individual that it's better for them to not bother and suck up the occasional loss.

Wailing is, of course, free.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Prince Kobol
#153 - 2013-10-22 10:06:51 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Maliandra wrote:
Most people who are all in-your-face about how awesome PVP is and how lame you are for doing PVE are just not very intelligent.

Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of intelligent people that engage in PVP. But they are able to recognize why some people might be motivated to do mission running or mining.

When you find someone who thinks he's "cool" or you're "not cool" based on how you play an internet space ship video game, you can be sure that person is quite stupid.


I consider myself to be rather intelligent. But I still cannot see why someone would enjoy mining unless they like boredom. Missions are tolerable, but I don't pay CCP for tolerable, I pay them to have fun.

It's a very simple fact. EVE has some of the worst PvE in the industry. Pick anything, even the recent failures like GW2, TOR or Defiance, they have more engaging and interesting PvE than EVE does. STO beats it flat out too, if you want to stay in the same genre.

Why you would buy a game, then single out the two least fun things about it and devote yourself exclusively to those things, is beyond me.



This is so true yet different people find different things enjoyable.

If people enjoy mining or mission running then good luck to them, they pay the same as everybody else and have the right to enjoy the game in anyway they see fit.

I hate mining and running missions with a passion yet some people enjoy it, so who am I to say that they are wrong and I am right?

IF and its a pretty big IF, Star Citizens offer anywhere near what they are promising I can see a lot of those players who only PvE either playing Eve a lot less or leaving completely because the PvE sucks so bad.

Hopefully as time draws on and more playable demo's and information is released regarding SC, CCP will get their **** together and make PvE much more interesting and dynamic.



Velicitia
XS Tech
#154 - 2013-10-22 10:49:12 UTC
Eram Fidard wrote:
... being in a losing situation and having a friend de-cloak in a falcon Widow to save the day.


Look bud, if you're gonna pull out Clear Skies references, at least get the ship right Blink

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia