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Why do so many see EvE as "shoot at other people PvP" game?

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#61 - 2013-10-20 19:13:05 UTC
To answer the question in the thread title:

"Be the Villain". That's why. I can't be the villain by making ships. I can't be the villain by munching on roids day in day out. I certainly can't be the villain with science and invention.

I can, however, be the villain by killing other people.

Also, this thread delivers.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#62 - 2013-10-20 19:13:59 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Atlantis Fuanan wrote:
He is so right! I always look at these blob-ganks stuff and think ... where are you balls? PVP in this game seems to have a different meaning every other has in mind:
Instead of having a skilled competition who is the best pilot (SP and skill-wise) it's nearly only number-based factors that decide an outcome of a PVP-Fight. Also this attitude of people just going for every f*ing kill is so poor.
I wonder if these people really feel that awesome if they manage to gank a miner (Oh yes, it was a very hard and intense fight) or just blob another group (It was a balanced fight, wasn't it?).
But this results ofcourse of the lack of PVP in general. Some people WANT to shoot stuff, but there is no incentive to go for smaller fights as loosing ships seems to be a real pain for even the pvp-dedicated players. So instead they pick up their buddies (which is good) and go to hunt everything, even solo, not dangerous ships (which is just poor).
I wonder, so many people seem to be having billions of ISK on their wallets, why are so few people not ready to throw in some pricey ships and just have a skilled fight? Are people really just about to have their Killcounter go up like in any FPS?

I know, right?

Like those 100-man fleets in curse. They were just sitting off the test staging systems with drones assigned and that was about it for you if you undocked.

Excuse my ignorance, but shouldn't instaundockwarps go past any bubbles on grid in front of the undock?
There's a certain distance bubbles can be dropped next to the station?

You can drop bubbles right on the undock.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#63 - 2013-10-20 19:15:40 UTC
If people stop blowing up ships, the value of minerals will decrease and miners won't be able to make any profit so they will quit the game. By blowing up miners, you're actually doing them a favour.

Oh god.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#64 - 2013-10-20 19:16:17 UTC
Quote:
You mean on to selected others, right? Because judging from recent kills all it takes is fitting a point and both you and him would not engage.
Whose recent kills?
In case you're talking about me... I was deliberately not bringing myself into this,
although i have examples of my own that would show that single individuals can project a lot of force.

I picked Kane, because he's a pretty (pun intended xD) example.
Bringing myself into this would just scream bias.

Force projection usually is about selected others, unless one achieves world domination.

How does it matter who or how many the force is projected on?

As long as single people can make groups of people apologize publicly (as example)
force is projected successfully... no?
Freakdevil
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2013-10-20 19:17:11 UTC
The answer why is simple. Because some of us derive fun from looting other players. You enjoy running that site did you? Good because if I catch you I will enjoy opening your wreck. Simple as that.

EVE is pvp you just seem to think it isn't. Your wrong.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#66 - 2013-10-20 19:19:34 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Quote:
You mean on to selected others, right? Because judging from recent kills all it takes is fitting a point and both you and him would not engage.
Whose recent kills?
In case you're talking about me... I was deliberately not bringing myself into this,
although i have examples of my own that would show that single individuals can project a lot of force.

I picked Kane, because he's a pretty (pun intended xD) example.
Bringing myself into this would just scream bias.

Force projection usually is about selected others, unless one achieves world domination.

How does it matter who or how many the force is projected on?

As long as single people can make groups of people apologize publicly (as example)
force is projected successfully... no?

Ask Harry Forever

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#67 - 2013-10-20 19:21:04 UTC
For OP:
1. Aion is that way ------>
2. I can haz your stuff?
3. Why we violence your boat? Because you were there, and we needed to express ourselves.
4. PvP is fun
5. HTFU

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#68 - 2013-10-20 19:22:02 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
If people stop blowing up ships, the value of minerals will decrease and miners won't be able to make any profit so they will quit the game. By blowing up miners, you're actually doing them a favour.
Sorry, but that's highly inaccurate.
The income of miners is always the same,
except in periods of bigger price changes.

When mineral prices increase, everything dependent on mineral prices gets more expensive and vice versa.
Miners pretty much always earn the same value.

That said, you are still right, because most people aren't aware of this fact.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#69 - 2013-10-20 19:23:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
Quote:
You mean on to selected others, right? Because judging from recent kills all it takes is fitting a point and both you and him would not engage.
Whose recent kills?
In case you're talking about me... I was deliberately not bringing myself into this,
although i have examples of my own that would show that single individuals can project a lot of force.

I picked Kane, because he's a pretty (pun intended xD) example.
Bringing myself into this would just scream bias.

Force projection usually is about selected others, unless one achieves world domination.

How does it matter who or how many the force is projected on?

As long as single people can make groups of people apologize publicly (as example)
force is projected successfully... no?

Ask Harry Forever
Oh come on!
You can't seriously put Harry on the same page as Kane or myself...

I know i'm not active anymore, but still...
Enduros
UK Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#70 - 2013-10-20 19:25:02 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Quote:
You mean on to selected others, right? Because judging from recent kills all it takes is fitting a point and both you and him would not engage.
Whose recent kills?
In case you're talking about me... I was deliberately not bringing myself into this,
although i have examples of my own that would show that single individuals can project a lot of force.

I picked Kane, because he's a pretty (pun intended xD) example.
Bringing myself into this would just scream bias.

Force projection usually is about selected others, unless one achieves world domination.

How does it matter who or how many the force is projected on?

As long as single people can make groups of people apologize publicly (as example)
force is projected successfully... no?

Can't call it unsuccessful, however not very far-reaching as getting someone to apologize bears little consequence for the rest of us. We have also wondered far off the topic about how eve combat pvp is held in too high regard for what it in practice.
Enduros
UK Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#71 - 2013-10-20 19:30:18 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
For OP:
1. Aion is that way ------>
2. I can haz your stuff?
3. Why we violence your boat? Because you were there, and we needed to express ourselves.
4. PvP is fun
5. HTFU

1. No spaceships in it
2. You probably can't even fly most of my stuff
3. ?
4. Compared to what? Other things in eve or other games? Because this is kind of the point of the thread.
5. My shrink strongly advises me against taking any more space-viagra then I already do.
Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#72 - 2013-10-20 19:30:33 UTC
Freakdevil wrote:
Your wrong.


quoted for trooth.

forums.  serious business.
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#73 - 2013-10-20 19:34:19 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Possibly one of the best, well thought out, and reasonable requests for a button in the esc menu that allows you to go back to WoW.


Full of win,

The Tears Must Flow
Enduros
UK Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#74 - 2013-10-20 19:45:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Enduros
Vaju Enki wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Possibly one of the best, well thought out, and reasonable requests for a button in the esc menu that allows you to go back to WoW.


Full of win,

I don't think Blizzard would need or pay for such endorsement. However eve forums would benefit from people having to read the post before making comments on it. Obviously since in many cases to determine this would take more processing power then is needed to run jita we would only run it when poster has a track record of saying something about "harvesting tears" or "can I have your stuff" for example.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#75 - 2013-10-20 19:52:09 UTC
Enduros wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
Quote:
You mean on to selected others, right? Because judging from recent kills all it takes is fitting a point and both you and him would not engage.
Whose recent kills?
In case you're talking about me... I was deliberately not bringing myself into this,
although i have examples of my own that would show that single individuals can project a lot of force.

I picked Kane, because he's a pretty (pun intended xD) example.
Bringing myself into this would just scream bias.

Force projection usually is about selected others, unless one achieves world domination.

How does it matter who or how many the force is projected on?

As long as single people can make groups of people apologize publicly (as example)
force is projected successfully... no?

Can't call it unsuccessful, however not very far-reaching as getting someone to apologize bears little consequence for the rest of us. We have also wondered far off the topic about how eve combat pvp is held in too high regard for what it in practice.

Derailing the thread wasn't my intention and i apologize if i did so.

Thanks Alavaria for the response, btw.
Nick Starkey
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#76 - 2013-10-20 19:57:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Nick Starkey
The reason the game is mostly refered to as a pvp centric game is because the game is all around interacting with others, and pvp tends to be the most impactful way to do it. That's all there is to it, really. PvP in this game is mostly about player knowledge and experience and very little about actual mechanical skill (basically, knowing when you have an advantage and when you don't). Everyone knows that, but hates to admit it.

If you think about it, it's not that much different from dota. Although that game is much more rich in terms of strategy/metagame and mechanical factor, the goal is stil the same. Acquire resources, and know when is the best time for using them, and prevent enemies from getting them. What really matters (and sets the pros appart) are your decisions and teamwork, not the ability to press 2 buttons and kill someone, because engaging is all about pondering your odds and making right decisions that put you on top. Same deal with pvp in eve, or any FFA kind of PVP. The execution part is pretty much trivial.

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Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#77 - 2013-10-20 20:02:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Jarod Garamonde
Enduros wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
For OP:
1. Aion is that way ------>
2. I can haz your stuff?
3. Why we violence your boat? Because you were there, and we needed to express ourselves.
4. PvP is fun
5. HTFU

1. No spaceships in it
2. You probably can't even fly most of my stuff
3. ?
4. Compared to what? Other things in eve or other games? Because this is kind of the point of the thread.
5. My shrink strongly advises me against taking any more space-viagra then I already do.


1. No, but does have "PvP by mutual consent, only" according to my last girlfriend.
2. Unless you're packing carriers and Titans, or Indy ships, I can fly almost everything you can.
3. It meant exactly what it said.
4. Compared to nothing. That wasn't a comparative statement. It was an opinion-based statement with no caveats.
5. That doesn't mean you should be as soft as the inside of a space twinkie, though.

(if you can't see my humor, I feel bad for you)

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Enduros
UK Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#78 - 2013-10-20 20:06:12 UTC
Nick Starkey wrote:
The reason the game is mostly refered to as a pvp centric game is because the game is all around interacting with others, and pvp tends to be the most impactful way to do it. That's all there is to it, really. PvP in this game is mostly about player knowledge and experience and very little about actual mechanical skill (basically, knowing when you have an advantage and when you don't). Everyone knows that, but hates to admit it.

If you think about it, it's not that much different from dota. Although that game is much more rich in terms of strategy/metagame and mechanical factor, the goal is stil the same. Acquire resources, and know when is the best time for using them, and prevent enemies from getting them. What really matters (and sets the pros appart) are your decisions and teamwork, not the ability to press 2 buttons and kill someone, because engaging is all about pondering your odds and making right decisions that put you on top. Same deal with pvp in eve, or any FFA kind of PVP. The execution part is pretty much trivial.


The trivial execution part is exactly what I'm talking about. And how it compares to other games. In most cases the outcome is already known because one side was more prepared then the other. If you aren't prepared and you get caught the outcome is a wreck. It's very grand when you look at the big picture, but down in the details not so much because very much of it happens before the fight even begins.
Enduros
UK Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#79 - 2013-10-20 20:14:14 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Enduros wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
For OP:
1. Aion is that way ------>
2. I can haz your stuff?
3. Why we violence your boat? Because you were there, and we needed to express ourselves.
4. PvP is fun
5. HTFU

1. No spaceships in it
2. You probably can't even fly most of my stuff
3. ?
4. Compared to what? Other things in eve or other games? Because this is kind of the point of the thread.
5. My shrink strongly advises me against taking any more space-viagra then I already do.


1. No, but does have "PvP by mutual consent, only" according to my last girlfriend.
2. Unless you're packing carriers and Titans, or Indy ships, I can fly almost everything you can.
3. It meant exactly what it said.
4. Compared to nothing. That wasn't a comparative statement. It was an opinion-based statement with no caveats.
5. That doesn't mean you should be as soft as the inside of a space twinkie, though.

(if you can't see my humor, I feel bad for you)


I have never said I don't like PvP. What I said was there is so much more to it then just the F1 act of PvP, without which you couldn't even have the PvP you speak of. And my point was that PvP is held in too high regard while everything else seems to draw ridicule as if it's the best measuring stick. Best example would be logi pilots. When you fly logi you do far more work yet it goes completely undocumented.
Iudicium Vastus
Doomheim
#80 - 2013-10-20 20:31:56 UTC
The pvp is pretty cool and all, but it isn't what EVE, or any sandbox ever, are supposed to be all about. These folk who treat the sandbox no differently than some online FPS remind me so much of some self-righteous vegans and their dogmatic hold that even though our species [human] are omnivore, everyone touching meat is just DOING IT WRONG!

[u]Nerf stabs/cloaks in FW?[/u] No, just.. -Fit more points -Fit faction points -Bring a friend or two with points (an alt is fine too)