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Why do so many see EvE as "shoot at other people PvP" game?

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Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#41 - 2013-10-20 18:33:43 UTC
Enduros wrote:
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
Eve in the opening video says the goal is power. Force is usually the most effective way of gaining and exerting power.


You mean command of force. You alone will have little force.


Individual power has limits to what it can achieve. To achieve more you must subsume your will into that of the collective.

Serve in Heaven, or, Rule in Hell.
Enduros
UK Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#42 - 2013-10-20 18:36:02 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Enduros wrote:
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
Eve in the opening video says the goal is power. Force is usually the most effective way of gaining and exerting power.


You mean command of force. You alone will have little force.
Cannibal Kane would teach you otherwise.

The shirtless blond guy shooting nubs in hi-sec? I doubt it, I don't go to hi-sec that much.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#43 - 2013-10-20 18:36:41 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Enduros wrote:
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
Eve in the opening video says the goal is power. Force is usually the most effective way of gaining and exerting power.

You mean command of force. You alone will have little force.
Cannibal Kane would teach you otherwise.

Force projection needs to be nerfed

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2013-10-20 18:40:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
Enduros wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
Enduros wrote:
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
Eve in the opening video says the goal is power. Force is usually the most effective way of gaining and exerting power.


You mean command of force. You alone will have little force.
Cannibal Kane would teach you otherwise.

The shirtless blond guy shooting nubs in hi-sec? I doubt it, I don't go to hi-sec that much.

Which has nothing to do with the fact that single players can project a lot of force,
which he clearly proves.
Enduros
UK Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#45 - 2013-10-20 18:42:59 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Did i spot a strawman?

You thought I live in hi-sec?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#46 - 2013-10-20 18:45:07 UTC
Enduros wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
Did i spot a strawman?

You thought I live in hi-sec?

Doesn't everyone have alts in highsec

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Enduros
UK Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#47 - 2013-10-20 18:47:34 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Enduros wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
Did i spot a strawman?

You thought I live in hi-sec?

Doesn't everyone have alts in highsec

Doesn't everyone keep them in npc corps and as anonymous as possible?
Atlantis Fuanan
Wormhole Research Inc.
#48 - 2013-10-20 18:50:30 UTC
He is so right! I always look at these blob-ganks stuff and think ... where are you balls? PVP in this game seems to have a different meaning every other has in mind:
Instead of having a skilled competition who is the best pilot (SP and skill-wise) it's nearly only number-based factors that decide an outcome of a PVP-Fight. Also this attitude of people just going for every f*ing kill is so poor.
I wonder if these people really feel that awesome if they manage to gank a miner (Oh yes, it was a very hard and intense fight) or just blob another group (It was a balanced fight, wasn't it?).
But this results ofcourse of the lack of PVP in general. Some people WANT to shoot stuff, but there is no incentive to go for smaller fights as loosing ships seems to be a real pain for even the pvp-dedicated players. So instead they pick up their buddies (which is good) and go to hunt everything, even solo, not dangerous ships (which is just poor).
I wonder, so many people seem to be having billions of ISK on their wallets, why are so few people not ready to throw in some pricey ships and just have a skilled fight? Are people really just about to have their Killcounter go up like in any FPS?

[u]Things that would make EVE better:[/u] NRDS - Remove Local - Balance Cloak - Sov-Mechanic Changes - Less QQ
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2013-10-20 18:50:54 UTC
Damn, the italicised bit was purdy.

Dodixie > Hek
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#50 - 2013-10-20 18:52:45 UTC
Enduros wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Enduros wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
Did i spot a strawman?

You thought I live in hi-sec?

Doesn't everyone have alts in highsec

Doesn't everyone keep them in npc corps and as anonymous as possible?

1man corps are better if you use a mission running alt.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#51 - 2013-10-20 18:53:37 UTC
Atlantis Fuanan wrote:
He is so right! I always look at these blob-ganks stuff and think ... where are you balls? PVP in this game seems to have a different meaning every other has in mind:
Instead of having a skilled competition who is the best pilot (SP and skill-wise) it's nearly only number-based factors that decide an outcome of a PVP-Fight. Also this attitude of people just going for every f*ing kill is so poor.
I wonder if these people really feel that awesome if they manage to gank a miner (Oh yes, it was a very hard and intense fight) or just blob another group (It was a balanced fight, wasn't it?).
But this results ofcourse of the lack of PVP in general. Some people WANT to shoot stuff, but there is no incentive to go for smaller fights as loosing ships seems to be a real pain for even the pvp-dedicated players. So instead they pick up their buddies (which is good) and go to hunt everything, even solo, not dangerous ships (which is just poor).
I wonder, so many people seem to be having billions of ISK on their wallets, why are so few people not ready to throw in some pricey ships and just have a skilled fight? Are people really just about to have their Killcounter go up like in any FPS?

I know, right?

Like those 100-man fleets in curse. They were just sitting off the test staging systems with drones assigned and that was about it for you if you undocked.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2013-10-20 18:54:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
Enduros wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
Did i spot a strawman?

You thought I live in hi-sec?
Wasn't actually sure, (about the strawman)
thus edited my post.

Doesn't matter where you live, because it doesn't change the facts.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2013-10-20 18:57:24 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Atlantis Fuanan wrote:
He is so right! I always look at these blob-ganks stuff and think ... where are you balls? PVP in this game seems to have a different meaning every other has in mind:
Instead of having a skilled competition who is the best pilot (SP and skill-wise) it's nearly only number-based factors that decide an outcome of a PVP-Fight. Also this attitude of people just going for every f*ing kill is so poor.
I wonder if these people really feel that awesome if they manage to gank a miner (Oh yes, it was a very hard and intense fight) or just blob another group (It was a balanced fight, wasn't it?).
But this results ofcourse of the lack of PVP in general. Some people WANT to shoot stuff, but there is no incentive to go for smaller fights as loosing ships seems to be a real pain for even the pvp-dedicated players. So instead they pick up their buddies (which is good) and go to hunt everything, even solo, not dangerous ships (which is just poor).
I wonder, so many people seem to be having billions of ISK on their wallets, why are so few people not ready to throw in some pricey ships and just have a skilled fight? Are people really just about to have their Killcounter go up like in any FPS?

I know, right?

Like those 100-man fleets in curse. They were just sitting off the test staging systems with drones assigned and that was about it for you if you undocked.

Excuse my ignorance, but shouldn't instaundockwarps go past any bubbles on grid in front of the undock?
There's a certain distance bubbles can be dropped next to the station?
Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#54 - 2013-10-20 18:57:52 UTC
Atlantis Fuanan wrote:
He is so right! I always look at these blob-ganks stuff and think ... where are you balls? PVP in this game seems to have a different meaning every other has in mind:
Instead of having a skilled competition who is the best pilot (SP and skill-wise) it's nearly only number-based factors that decide an outcome of a PVP-Fight. Also this attitude of people just going for every f*ing kill is so poor.
I wonder if these people really feel that awesome if they manage to gank a miner (Oh yes, it was a very hard and intense fight) or just blob another group (It was a balanced fight, wasn't it?).
But this results ofcourse of the lack of PVP in general. Some people WANT to shoot stuff, but there is no incentive to go for smaller fights as loosing ships seems to be a real pain for even the pvp-dedicated players. So instead they pick up their buddies (which is good) and go to hunt everything, even solo, not dangerous ships (which is just poor).
I wonder, so many people seem to be having billions of ISK on their wallets, why are so few people not ready to throw in some pricey ships and just have a skilled fight? Are people really just about to have their Killcounter go up like in any FPS?


it's mainly because of a deficit in targets. when you've got a fleet waiting to bridge for an hour they're going to get bored swapping porn links. when you're hungry you settle for minnows.

but you really want a nice big juicy fish.

forums.  serious business.
Enduros
UK Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#55 - 2013-10-20 18:58:02 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Enduros wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
Did i spot a strawman?

You thought I live in hi-sec?
Wasn't actually sure,
thus edited my post.

Doesn't matter where you live, because it doesn't change the facts.

Which facts are those?
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#56 - 2013-10-20 18:58:44 UTC
Atlantis Fuanan wrote:
He is so right! I always look at these blob-ganks stuff and think ... where are you balls? PVP in this game seems to have a different meaning every other has in mind:
Instead of having a skilled competition who is the best pilot (SP and skill-wise) it's nearly only number-based factors that decide an outcome of a PVP-Fight. Also this attitude of people just going for every f*ing kill is so poor.
I wonder if these people really feel that awesome if they manage to gank a miner (Oh yes, it was a very hard and intense fight) or just blob another group (It was a balanced fight, wasn't it?).
But this results ofcourse of the lack of PVP in general. Some people WANT to shoot stuff, but there is no incentive to go for smaller fights as loosing ships seems to be a real pain for even the pvp-dedicated players. So instead they pick up their buddies (which is good) and go to hunt everything, even solo, not dangerous ships (which is just poor).
I wonder, so many people seem to be having billions of ISK on their wallets, why are so few people not ready to throw in some pricey ships and just have a skilled fight? Are people really just about to have their Killcounter go up like in any FPS?


For the awesome feeling that comes from victory in skilled combat there's loads of other games.

For the awesome feeling that comes from taking something weak and defenseless and squishing it until dead, there is EVE
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2013-10-20 18:59:17 UTC
Enduros wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
Enduros wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
Did i spot a strawman?

You thought I live in hi-sec?
Wasn't actually sure,
thus edited my post.

Doesn't matter where you live, because it doesn't change the facts.

Which facts are those?

Read the edited post.

Single players can project a lot of force onto others.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2013-10-20 19:02:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
Please don't mistake my posts as pure opposition.
It's simply that my observations tell me that your opinion isn't factually correct.

Edit: posting on my phone and hating it.
Enduros
UK Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#59 - 2013-10-20 19:05:26 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Enduros wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
Enduros wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
Did i spot a strawman?

You thought I live in hi-sec?
Wasn't actually sure,
thus edited my post.

Doesn't matter where you live, because it doesn't change the facts.

Which facts are those?

Read the edited post.

Single players can project a lot of force onto others.

You mean on to selected others, right? Because judging from recent kills all it takes is fitting a point and both you and him would not engage.
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#60 - 2013-10-20 19:06:12 UTC
Interaction is the center of an MMO. EvE caters to people who prefer to interact in a physical manner. Lol

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