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Light speed is too slow....

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#21 - 2013-10-20 12:49:58 UTC
I find it hilarious that stars start whipping past me as my ship is only accelerating towards warp speed, still at sub-light.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Amhra Rho
Accujac Elimination
#22 - 2013-10-20 12:50:21 UTC
Solstice Project's Alt wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
You're already moving MUCH faster than lightspeed when you warp, not to mention jumps and gates.

For reference, light takes 8 minutes and 20 seconds to travel 1 AU.
I want to be the guy who nitpicks and tells you that ships that warp aren't actually faster than light,
because there is nothing faster than light.

Electromagnetic waves inside the warp bubble have the same speed
as electromagnetic waves outside the warp bubble.

To be precise: The ship inside the warp bubble doesn't move at all.
Actually, nothing inside the warp bubble moves during warp travel.

End of nitpicking.


This is actually true. When you warp, you're taking a "shortcut" by literally travelling less distance.

There's real reasons why your Eve character doesn't do /dance.

Amber Kurvora
#23 - 2013-10-20 12:53:00 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:


Your experience of the game would be greatly improved


If you didnt watch terrible movies


While you played


Seriously


Watch better Brooks movies


They are Legion for They are Many



Oh come on, it wasn't so bad if you watched it as a kid. Admittedly watching it as an adult is a chore, but there's still a few good jokes amongst the bad Brooks.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#24 - 2013-10-20 12:56:13 UTC
Amber Kurvora wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:


Your experience of the game would be greatly improved


If you didnt watch terrible movies


While you played


Seriously


Watch better Brooks movies


They are Legion for They are Many



Oh come on, it wasn't so bad if you watched it as a kid. Admittedly watching it as an adult is a chore, but there's still a few good jokes amongst the bad Brooks.


Any meaning here is lost utterly on us Americans.

When we think of Brooks Films, we think of "Young Frankenstein" and "Blazing Saddles".

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#25 - 2013-10-20 12:58:18 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:


Any meaning here is lost utterly on us Americans.

When we think of Brooks Films, we think of "Young Frankenstein" and "Blazing Saddles".



Not

The Producers

or The History of The World


Or the movie mentioned in the OP even?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Amber Kurvora
#26 - 2013-10-20 13:11:42 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Amber Kurvora wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:


Your experience of the game would be greatly improved


If you didnt watch terrible movies


While you played


Seriously


Watch better Brooks movies


They are Legion for They are Many



Oh come on, it wasn't so bad if you watched it as a kid. Admittedly watching it as an adult is a chore, but there's still a few good jokes amongst the bad Brooks.


Any meaning here is lost utterly on us Americans.

When we think of Brooks Films, we think of "Young Frankenstein" and "Blazing Saddles".



So wait, are you claiming American's somehow have superior cinematic taste based on your own view of reality? Because I have a one word answer to that: Kardashians.

Look, just because you feel you have a superior take on Brooks films, doesn't mean that every other bugger has to avoid finding something to love about a bad Brooks film. Why do I say this? Because it's the only principal that explains Adam Sandler's film career in my opinion.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#27 - 2013-10-20 13:25:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Akirei Scytale
Solstice Project's Alt wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
You're already moving MUCH faster than lightspeed when you warp, not to mention jumps and gates.

For reference, light takes 8 minutes and 20 seconds to travel 1 AU.
I want to be the guy who nitpicks and tells you that ships that warp aren't actually faster than light,
because there is nothing faster than light.

Electromagnetic waves inside the warp bubble have the same speed
as electromagnetic waves outside the warp bubble.

To be precise: The ship inside the warp bubble doesn't move at all.
Actually, nothing inside the warp bubble moves during warp travel.

Edit:
And to be even more precise: One could say that not even the warp bubble moves.
It changes it's relative position, yes, but not because it moves,
but because it changes space surrounding it.

To compare:
A common misunderstanding is that people say that galaxies within our real universe drift apart,
which isn't the case. It's just that the distances between galaxies increase,
because the size of the universe increases.

Mind. Blown.


End of nitpicking.


Even gravity cannot influence things faster than the speed of light. It is a hard limit. You can't work your way around it by doing something like building a super long pole and pushing it so the other end moves at the same time - the compression wave will travel through it at the speed of sound int its material.

In short, you can't cheat by saying "its just the warp bubble lol" - because even it, and alterations in the physical structure of the universe (say, bending it in such a way you can hop, A Wrinkle In Time style) are only going to propagate at the speed of light at best.

"the ship inside the warp bubble doesn't move at all!" actually, yes it does, objectively. From any frame of reference outside it, it moves. It will still be bound by the speed of light. Heck, if it was in a bubble moving at the speed of light and it had headlights, the light from those headlights would appear to stand still from outside the ship - because even though inside the bubble it is travelling at the speed of light, outside, it would be limited by the speed of all massless particles and travel at c.

The universe does weird **** when you approach that constant.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#28 - 2013-10-20 13:37:35 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
HARD WORDS



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkOwO9gNn0E

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#29 - 2013-10-20 14:04:18 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:


or The History of The World




Except for about 3 lines, that was Mel's most juvenile effort, and even he admits it was the beginning of the end for him.

But congratulations on being the only person I've run into in 48 years who disses "Young Frankenstein" and "Blazing Saddles". That's actually a pretty brave and daring stance tbh.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#30 - 2013-10-20 14:06:06 UTC
Amber Kurvora wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Amber Kurvora wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:


Your experience of the game would be greatly improved


If you didnt watch terrible movies


While you played


Seriously


Watch better Brooks movies


They are Legion for They are Many



Oh come on, it wasn't so bad if you watched it as a kid. Admittedly watching it as an adult is a chore, but there's still a few good jokes amongst the bad Brooks.


Any meaning here is lost utterly on us Americans.

When we think of Brooks Films, we think of "Young Frankenstein" and "Blazing Saddles".



So wait, are you claiming American's somehow have superior cinematic taste based on your own view of reality? Because I have a one word answer to that: Kardashians.

Look, just because you feel you have a superior take on Brooks films, doesn't mean that every other bugger has to avoid finding something to love about a bad Brooks film. Why do I say this? Because it's the only principal that explains Adam Sandler's film career in my opinion.


Clm the freak down. Jesus.

I'm wondering who the heck this other Brooks is, that's all. And I clarified who the other one was with just titles, and no opinion about at all.


Either learn to read correctly or stop being so delusional and paranoid.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Amber Kurvora
#31 - 2013-10-20 14:08:32 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Amber Kurvora wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Amber Kurvora wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:


Your experience of the game would be greatly improved


If you didnt watch terrible movies


While you played


Seriously


Watch better Brooks movies


They are Legion for They are Many



Oh come on, it wasn't so bad if you watched it as a kid. Admittedly watching it as an adult is a chore, but there's still a few good jokes amongst the bad Brooks.


Any meaning here is lost utterly on us Americans.

When we think of Brooks Films, we think of "Young Frankenstein" and "Blazing Saddles".



So wait, are you claiming American's somehow have superior cinematic taste based on your own view of reality? Because I have a one word answer to that: Kardashians.

Look, just because you feel you have a superior take on Brooks films, doesn't mean that every other bugger has to avoid finding something to love about a bad Brooks film. Why do I say this? Because it's the only principal that explains Adam Sandler's film career in my opinion.


Clm the freak down. Jesus.

I'm wondering who the heck this other Brooks is, that's all. And I clarified who the other one was with just titles, and no opinion about at all.


Either learn to read correctly or stop being so delusional and paranoid.



But it's Eve...?
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#32 - 2013-10-20 14:10:34 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:


Except for about 3 lines, that was Mel's most juvenile effort, and even he admits it was the beginning of the end for him.

But congratulations on being the only person I've run into in 48 years who disses "Young Frankenstein" and "Blazing Saddles". That's actually a pretty brave and daring stance tbh.



I didnt

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#33 - 2013-10-20 14:12:01 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
cyndrogen wrote:

How would people feel about having AU and Parsecs as a travel speed? I would pay ISK to travel faster. I would pay Aurum.



A Parsec is a UNIT OF DISTANCE, NOT SPEED or TIME. Roll

I thought this got famously cleared up in 1977. I guess not.


Also, in a lot of science fiction warp speeds are measured in distances, because you are actually warping space. If your warp bubble means you travel only 1 parsec to a destination 30 parsecs away, that is a measurement of your warp capability.

So in Star wars when Han Solo said "You've never heard of the Millennium Falcon?…It's the ship that made the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs", that's what it meant.

From the Star Wars Wiki;

"The Kessel Run was an 18-parsec route"

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf

Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#34 - 2013-10-20 14:12:08 UTC


Amber, I think Krixtal has gone slightly mad


He seems to think there's two Mel Brooks

That somewhere I said something that is obviously not true


And hes taking your words a wee bit seriously

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#35 - 2013-10-20 14:13:23 UTC
Amber Kurvora wrote:


So wait, are you claiming American's somehow have superior cinematic taste based on your own view of reality? Because I have a one word answer to that: Kardashians.

Look, just because you feel you have a superior take on Brooks films, doesn't mean that every other bugger has to avoid finding something to love about a bad Brooks film. Why do I say this? Because it's the only principal that explains Adam Sandler's film career in my opinion.


I don't watch network television, much less reality shows. I've never seen an Adam Sandler film.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#36 - 2013-10-20 14:13:30 UTC
Arduemont wrote:


Also, in a lot of science fiction warp speeds are measured in distances, because you are actually warping space. If your warp bubble means you travel only 1 parsec to a destination 30 parsecs away, that is a measurement of your warp capability.

So in Star wars when Han Solo said "You've never heard of the Millennium Falcon?…It's the ship that made the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs", that's what it meant.

From the Star Wars Wiki;

"The Kessel Run was an 18-parsec route"



Yup much more likely that a line from Lucas' terrible script being terrible


"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#37 - 2013-10-20 14:18:05 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:


Your experience of the game would be greatly improved


If you didnt watch terrible movies


While you played


Seriously


Watch better Brooks movies


They are Legion for They are Many




Here is what started it all.

It's just not clear enough, as it took me this long to figure out you were referring to OP's use of "Ludicrous Speed".....form "Spaceballs" which I found to be so awful (on top of being 10 years too late) I didn't watch it but the once, so the lines are not exactly embedded in my skull.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#38 - 2013-10-20 14:21:29 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:


Your experience of the game would be greatly improved


If you didnt watch terrible movies


While you played


Seriously


Watch better Brooks movies


They are Legion for They are Many




Here is what started it all.

It's just not clear enough, as it took me this long to figure out you were referring to OP's use of "Ludicrous Speed".....form "Spaceballs" which I found to be so awful (on top of being 10 years too late) I didn't watch it but the once, so the lines are not exactly embedded in my skull.



And I was saying that in my opinion it was the worst movie he had anything to do with


And you said as an American it was lost on you


Am I following this right?


Is this thing on?

Hello?


The Sheriff is a n.......

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#39 - 2013-10-20 14:27:07 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:


Even gravity cannot influence things faster than the speed of light. It is a hard limit. You can't work your way around it by doing something like building a super long pole and pushing it so the other end moves at the same time - the compression wave will travel through it at the speed of sound int its material.

In short, you can't cheat by saying "its just the warp bubble lol" - because even it, and alterations in the physical structure of the universe (say, bending it in such a way you can hop, A Wrinkle In Time style) are only going to propagate at the speed of light at best.

"the ship inside the warp bubble doesn't move at all!" actually, yes it does, objectively. From any frame of reference outside it, it moves. It will still be bound by the speed of light. Heck, if it was in a bubble moving at the speed of light and it had headlights, the light from those headlights would appear to stand still from outside the ship - because even though inside the bubble it is travelling at the speed of light, outside, it would be limited by the speed of all massless particles and travel at c.

The universe does weird **** when you approach that constant.


NASA dissagrees;

NASA wrote:
Alcubierre’s "Warp Drive"

Here’s the premise behind the Alcubierre "warp drive": Although Special Relativity forbids objects to move faster than light within spacetime, it is unknown how fast spacetime itself can move. To use an analogy, imagine you are on one of those moving sidewalks that can be found in some airports. The Alcubierre warp drive is like one of those moving sidewalks. Although there may be a limit to how fast one can walk across the floor (analogous to the light speed limit), what about if you are on a moving section of floor that moves faster than you can walk (analogous to a moving section of spacetime)? In the case of the Alcubierre warp drive, this moving section of spacetime is created by expanding spacetime behind the ship (analogous to where the sidewalk emerges from underneath the floor), and by contracting spacetime in front of the ship (analogous to where the sidewalk goes back into the floor). The idea of expanding spacetime is not new. Using the "Inflationary Universe" perspective, for example, it is thought that spacetime expanded faster than the speed of light during the early moments of the Big Bang. So if spacetime can expand faster than the speed of light during the Big Bang, why not for our warp drive? These theories are too new to have either been discounted or proven viable.

Any other sticky issues?

Yes... First, to create this effect, you’ll need a ring of negative energy wrapped around the ship, and lots of it too. It is still debated in physics whether negative energy can exist. Classical physics tends toward a "no," while quantum physics leans to a "maybe, yes." Second, you’ll need a way to control this effect to turn it on and off at will. This will be especially tricky since this warp effect is a separate effect from the ship. Third, all this assumes that this whole "warp" would indeed move faster than the speed of light. This is a big unknown. And fourth, if all the previous issues weren’t tough enough, these concepts evoke the same time-travel paradoxes as the wormhole concepts.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf

Atlantis Fuanan
Wormhole Research Inc.
#40 - 2013-10-20 14:27:39 UTC
See it like this, if you have been moaning about travel time, just think of how big the universe will "feel" if you have to travel longer after Rubicon ^^

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