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Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#1 - 2013-10-19 17:05:06 UTC
CCP,
Please slow down and step back for a minute. Look at where everything has gone lately. Look at how this new patch seems to be turning out. Marauders are turned into something that most won't see much of a reason to use in PvP or even PvE anymore. Interceptors are Very overpowered and unstoppable now. Interdictors aren't really being fixed at all, and now with interceptor’s immune to bubbles, they are that much more worthless. The last few patches have been nothing but trying to fix issues and rebalancing ships. Most of this issues and rebalances aren't even needed (Don't fix something that isn't broken). And the thing that were are either still broke or are buff so much they make other type of ships useless.
The thing that made EVE so amazing and so unique is that not everything was equal, not everything was 100% the same. Before you had to be creative with some ships to make them work. With all the new rebalancing and such, EVE is feeling more and more like all other MMOs, where before it never did. Instead of trying to make everything the same pretty much, just find the ships that are truly broken and fix them. Find the ships that are truly OP, and fix them. Don't take the fastest, most easy way to fix them, be creative, and be EVE!
I know some won't agree wit me, and that's fine, I honestly don't care. But if EVE keeps going like it is, it won't be EVE anymore, it will be a shell of what it once was, and though I will probably keep playing the game, I will dream of what EVE was once. . .
Unraveller Chase
Unraveller Industries
#2 - 2013-10-19 17:12:55 UTC
I think all the rebalancing has been pretty good so far and much needed in many areas.
Atlantis Fuanan
Wormhole Research Inc.
#3 - 2013-10-19 17:27:49 UTC
Same thought here, i think rebalancing is going well. If you can't catch that inty, who cares, get the gank that is following him :D

[u]Things that would make EVE better:[/u] NRDS - Remove Local - Balance Cloak - Sov-Mechanic Changes - Less QQ
Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#4 - 2013-10-19 17:41:19 UTC
Marauders are are going to be used a lot in PvE. Ceptors are not gonna be op. They are going to excel in one thing. You know that thing they are designed for.
Sarah Stallman
Pen2 Logistics
#5 - 2013-10-20 01:55:39 UTC
Interceptors are fast, yes, but another interceptor could catch one.
Marauders will still see use in PvE, and will be the ship of choice for POS bashing in high sec. I can't say that I see the problem with interdictors. Whenever I listen to fleet coms in battle recordings, generally about half of it is yelling at the interdictor pilots to do their jobs, like they're important or something. Big smile
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#6 - 2013-10-20 02:01:47 UTC
Adapt. Change is opportunity.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
M1k3y Koontz
House of Musashi
Stay Feral
#7 - 2013-10-20 02:03:14 UTC
CCP has done an excellent job on the rebalancing. Sure, some areas were underwhelming (I'm looking at you HACs) but all in all the changes have been for the betterment of EVE.

How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#8 - 2013-10-20 04:52:05 UTC
Sarah Stallman wrote:
Interceptors are fast, yes, but another interceptor could catch one.]


Perhaps there will be a role on the battlefield for that double-hyperspace-rigged Taranis after all.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#9 - 2013-10-20 06:08:13 UTC
The only thing that worries me is the changes to my BS warp speed.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#10 - 2013-10-20 06:26:30 UTC
Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:
CCP,
Please slow down and step back for a minute. Look at where everything has gone lately. Look at how this new patch seems to be turning out. Marauders are turned into something that most won't see much of a reason to use in PvP or even PvE anymore. Interceptors are Very overpowered and unstoppable now. Interdictors aren't really being fixed at all, and now with interceptor’s immune to bubbles, they are that much more worthless. The last few patches have been nothing but trying to fix issues and rebalancing ships. Most of this issues and rebalances aren't even needed (Don't fix something that isn't broken). And the thing that were are either still broke or are buff so much they make other type of ships useless.
The thing that made EVE so amazing and so unique is that not everything was equal, not everything was 100% the same. Before you had to be creative with some ships to make them work. With all the new rebalancing and such, EVE is feeling more and more like all other MMOs, where before it never did. Instead of trying to make everything the same pretty much, just find the ships that are truly broken and fix them. Find the ships that are truly OP, and fix them. Don't take the fastest, most easy way to fix them, be creative, and be EVE!
I know some won't agree wit me, and that's fine, I honestly don't care. But if EVE keeps going like it is, it won't be EVE anymore, it will be a shell of what it once was, and though I will probably keep playing the game, I will dream of what EVE was once. . .


As stated many times before, we can only hope that the accountants take over at CCP, and do what is necessary. Looking at the 2013 first half financials, it is ambiguous, at best, if CCP is succeeding with the increasingly dystopian Anyn Rand view of Eve.
The overall CCP 2013 1st half revenue is up over 2012, but how much is Dust related is anyone's guess. The profits, are down, especially if you factor in the Georgia tax break, but then again, there are huge development costs with the failing Dust and neophyte Valkyrie. Though CCP won't release current subs, the indications from the 1st half 2013 financials is that subs are down from the 490,000 that they ended 2012 with.

The next 6 months may be the tipping point where sanity prevails. The two most recent dev's have done more damage to the Eve brand that can possibly be imagined, and the question is can it be reversed.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#11 - 2013-10-20 06:29:44 UTC
You do not want the 'accountants to take over'.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#12 - 2013-10-20 06:29:48 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:
CCP,
Please slow down and step back for a minute. Look at where everything has gone lately. Look at how this new patch seems to be turning out. Marauders are turned into something that most won't see much of a reason to use in PvP or even PvE anymore. Interceptors are Very overpowered and unstoppable now. Interdictors aren't really being fixed at all, and now with interceptor’s immune to bubbles, they are that much more worthless. The last few patches have been nothing but trying to fix issues and rebalancing ships. Most of this issues and rebalances aren't even needed (Don't fix something that isn't broken). And the thing that were are either still broke or are buff so much they make other type of ships useless.
The thing that made EVE so amazing and so unique is that not everything was equal, not everything was 100% the same. Before you had to be creative with some ships to make them work. With all the new rebalancing and such, EVE is feeling more and more like all other MMOs, where before it never did. Instead of trying to make everything the same pretty much, just find the ships that are truly broken and fix them. Find the ships that are truly OP, and fix them. Don't take the fastest, most easy way to fix them, be creative, and be EVE!
I know some won't agree wit me, and that's fine, I honestly don't care. But if EVE keeps going like it is, it won't be EVE anymore, it will be a shell of what it once was, and though I will probably keep playing the game, I will dream of what EVE was once. . .


As stated many times before, we can only hope that the accountants take over at CCP, and do what is necessary. Looking at the 2013 first half financials, it is ambiguous, at best, if CCP is succeeding with the increasingly dystopian Anyn Rand view of Eve.
The overall CCP 2013 1st half revenue is up over 2012, but how much is Dust related is anyone's guess. The profits, are down, especially if you factor in the Georgia tax break, but then again, there are huge development costs with the failing Dust and neophyte Valkyrie. Though CCP won't release current subs, the indications from the 1st half 2013 financials is that subs are down from the 490,000 that they ended 2012 with.

The next 6 months may be the tipping point where sanity prevails. The two most recent dev's have done more damage to the Eve brand that can possibly be imagined, and the question is can it be reversed.



[Citation needed]

Current records show EVE at over 500k and CCP do not give out finance info.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#13 - 2013-10-20 07:06:30 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:
CCP,
Please slow down and step back for a minute. Look at where everything has gone lately. Look at how this new patch seems to be turning out. Marauders are turned into something that most won't see much of a reason to use in PvP or even PvE anymore. Interceptors are Very overpowered and unstoppable now. Interdictors aren't really being fixed at all, and now with interceptor’s immune to bubbles, they are that much more worthless. The last few patches have been nothing but trying to fix issues and rebalancing ships. Most of this issues and rebalances aren't even needed (Don't fix something that isn't broken). And the thing that were are either still broke or are buff so much they make other type of ships useless.
The thing that made EVE so amazing and so unique is that not everything was equal, not everything was 100% the same. Before you had to be creative with some ships to make them work. With all the new rebalancing and such, EVE is feeling more and more like all other MMOs, where before it never did. Instead of trying to make everything the same pretty much, just find the ships that are truly broken and fix them. Find the ships that are truly OP, and fix them. Don't take the fastest, most easy way to fix them, be creative, and be EVE!
I know some won't agree wit me, and that's fine, I honestly don't care. But if EVE keeps going like it is, it won't be EVE anymore, it will be a shell of what it once was, and though I will probably keep playing the game, I will dream of what EVE was once. . .


As stated many times before, we can only hope that the accountants take over at CCP, and do what is necessary. Looking at the 2013 first half financials, it is ambiguous, at best, if CCP is succeeding with the increasingly dystopian Anyn Rand view of Eve.
The overall CCP 2013 1st half revenue is up over 2012, but how much is Dust related is anyone's guess. The profits, are down, especially if you factor in the Georgia tax break, but then again, there are huge development costs with the failing Dust and neophyte Valkyrie. Though CCP won't release current subs, the indications from the 1st half 2013 financials is that subs are down from the 490,000 that they ended 2012 with.

The next 6 months may be the tipping point where sanity prevails. The two most recent dev's have done more damage to the Eve brand that can possibly be imagined, and the question is can it be reversed.



[Citation needed]

Current records show EVE at over 500k and CCP do not give out finance info.


You know, sometimes your lies are just too easy to expose.

http://www.ccpgames.com/media/47002/ccp%202012%20consolidated%20financial%20statements.pdf
http://www.ccpgames.com/media/47381/ccp%20financial%20statements%20june%2030%202013.pdf

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#14 - 2013-10-20 07:24:07 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:
CCP,
Please slow down and step back for a minute. Look at where everything has gone lately. Look at how this new patch seems to be turning out. Marauders are turned into something that most won't see much of a reason to use in PvP or even PvE anymore. Interceptors are Very overpowered and unstoppable now. Interdictors aren't really being fixed at all, and now with interceptor’s immune to bubbles, they are that much more worthless. The last few patches have been nothing but trying to fix issues and rebalancing ships. Most of this issues and rebalances aren't even needed (Don't fix something that isn't broken). And the thing that were are either still broke or are buff so much they make other type of ships useless.
The thing that made EVE so amazing and so unique is that not everything was equal, not everything was 100% the same. Before you had to be creative with some ships to make them work. With all the new rebalancing and such, EVE is feeling more and more like all other MMOs, where before it never did. Instead of trying to make everything the same pretty much, just find the ships that are truly broken and fix them. Find the ships that are truly OP, and fix them. Don't take the fastest, most easy way to fix them, be creative, and be EVE!
I know some won't agree wit me, and that's fine, I honestly don't care. But if EVE keeps going like it is, it won't be EVE anymore, it will be a shell of what it once was, and though I will probably keep playing the game, I will dream of what EVE was once. . .


As stated many times before, we can only hope that the accountants take over at CCP, and do what is necessary. Looking at the 2013 first half financials, it is ambiguous, at best, if CCP is succeeding with the increasingly dystopian Anyn Rand view of Eve.
The overall CCP 2013 1st half revenue is up over 2012, but how much is Dust related is anyone's guess. The profits, are down, especially if you factor in the Georgia tax break, but then again, there are huge development costs with the failing Dust and neophyte Valkyrie. Though CCP won't release current subs, the indications from the 1st half 2013 financials is that subs are down from the 490,000 that they ended 2012 with.

The next 6 months may be the tipping point where sanity prevails. The two most recent dev's have done more damage to the Eve brand that can possibly be imagined, and the question is can it be reversed.



[Citation needed]

Current records show EVE at over 500k and CCP do not give out finance info.


You know, sometimes your lies are just too easy to expose.

http://www.ccpgames.com/media/47002/ccp%202012%20consolidated%20financial%20statements.pdf
http://www.ccpgames.com/media/47381/ccp%20financial%20statements%20june%2030%202013.pdf



This from they guy who just said subs are down dispite every single media site reporting a record 500k subs in feb.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#15 - 2013-10-20 07:28:42 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:
CCP,
Please slow down and step back for a minute. Look at where everything has gone lately. Look at how this new patch seems to be turning out. Marauders are turned into something that most won't see much of a reason to use in PvP or even PvE anymore. Interceptors are Very overpowered and unstoppable now. Interdictors aren't really being fixed at all, and now with interceptor’s immune to bubbles, they are that much more worthless. The last few patches have been nothing but trying to fix issues and rebalancing ships. Most of this issues and rebalances aren't even needed (Don't fix something that isn't broken). And the thing that were are either still broke or are buff so much they make other type of ships useless.
The thing that made EVE so amazing and so unique is that not everything was equal, not everything was 100% the same. Before you had to be creative with some ships to make them work. With all the new rebalancing and such, EVE is feeling more and more like all other MMOs, where before it never did. Instead of trying to make everything the same pretty much, just find the ships that are truly broken and fix them. Find the ships that are truly OP, and fix them. Don't take the fastest, most easy way to fix them, be creative, and be EVE!
I know some won't agree wit me, and that's fine, I honestly don't care. But if EVE keeps going like it is, it won't be EVE anymore, it will be a shell of what it once was, and though I will probably keep playing the game, I will dream of what EVE was once. . .


As stated many times before, we can only hope that the accountants take over at CCP, and do what is necessary. Looking at the 2013 first half financials, it is ambiguous, at best, if CCP is succeeding with the increasingly dystopian Anyn Rand view of Eve.
The overall CCP 2013 1st half revenue is up over 2012, but how much is Dust related is anyone's guess. The profits, are down, especially if you factor in the Georgia tax break, but then again, there are huge development costs with the failing Dust and neophyte Valkyrie. Though CCP won't release current subs, the indications from the 1st half 2013 financials is that subs are down from the 490,000 that they ended 2012 with.

The next 6 months may be the tipping point where sanity prevails. The two most recent dev's have done more damage to the Eve brand that can possibly be imagined, and the question is can it be reversed.



[Citation needed]

Current records show EVE at over 500k and CCP do not give out finance info.


You know, sometimes your lies are just too easy to expose.

http://www.ccpgames.com/media/47002/ccp%202012%20consolidated%20financial%20statements.pdf
http://www.ccpgames.com/media/47381/ccp%20financial%20statements%20june%2030%202013.pdf



This from they guy who just said subs are down dispite every single media site reporting a record 500k subs in feb.


That' right. Ignore the facts that CCP posted themselves, and how you have zero credibility when your past post was just blown clear out of the water.

Try to comprehend this.
You said CCP does not provide financials.
In 2 minutes I proved that was a total lie on your part.

You HAVE ZERO CREDIBILITY.

Now, please go back to your troll cave.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#16 - 2013-10-20 07:44:24 UTC
So you are just going to ignore that subs are at record highs and they have no money worries? You litterally destroyed your own argument with your own links and a simple google search killed off your subs are dropping comment.
Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
#17 - 2013-10-20 11:10:00 UTC
Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:
I know some won't agree wit me, and that's fine, I honestly don't care. But if EVE keeps going like it is, it won't be EVE anymore, it will be a shell of what it once was, and though I will probably keep playing the game, I will dream of what EVE was once. . .


You've been hit by sentimentalism.

There's a saying where I live, 'Aika kultaa muistot'. A word for word translation to English is 'Time gilds the memories', I'm sure there is a similar saying in other cultures too. And that's what is hitting you, you're letting your limited perceptions influence the conclusions you draw on how the coming changes are affecting EvE and how it is played.

In reality EvE wasn't all smooth sailing in the past, there were problems some glaring ones. The resent and these coming changes fix (some of) those issues. This of course means that you have to change yourself too. You know.. adapt or die... Blink

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Caleb Seremshur
Commando Guri
Guristas Pirates
#18 - 2013-10-20 11:15:42 UTC
I think the gamebis a bettet game these days. Unfortunately the economy still needs addressing at the universal level. The game still facilitates archaic methods of income generation in an era where its not sensible or appropriate to be nerfing missions but doing nothing to adress nullsec ratting incomes. the looming issue of incursions still be retardedly easy and the list goes on...

in brief it's hard to create something of any real value and I hope for the day where intercepting enemy mining is more profitable than ratting
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#19 - 2013-10-21 03:50:04 UTC
no sure how we got to financials but....

if last year as a slump that would be when inty's were made inferior by the fact t1 frigate redo made most obsolete. Some claim for example to make out better with condor vice crow.

So if money slumped when inty's sucked (more....they have been needing love for a bit, t1 rebalance made this more obvious), wouldn't an "op" inty more than like return eve to better numbers pre t1 frigate rebalance?
Johann Rascali
The Milkmen
Pandemic Horde
#20 - 2013-10-21 04:17:36 UTC
I would like to note that, while rebalancing has been a core feature of many of the more recent expansions, it has not been the sole feature. The new crimewatch being the biggest example.

The difference you're noticing is a shift in EVE's development strategy. Instead of shoving one huge core feature at us every expansion (which most of the time wasn't even actually finished) then being forced to just leave it broken because they'd moved on to full-throttle development of the next huge feature, we're seeing that "iteration" thing everybody's talking about. Release a somewhat large new feature based on a themed concept, along with supporting features in the same theme (crimewatch->bounty redesign) plus rebalancing and smaller fixes to long existing problems created by "the old ways." Then usually a point release or two to clean up anything that shows problems when dumped into the sandbox.

This development style doesn't give you the huge headline "stop the presses" sort of massive feature, but I do think it's much better for the game in the long run. And an MMO with a huge number of players that requires you to sink years into it to experience its full breadth definitely should not be obsessed with the big short term over the moderate long term.

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