EVE General Discussion

I think the main difference is that the things you can buy with ISK sourced from PLEX are exactly the same as the things everyone has access to.

If you're buying stuff that's better than the norm (eg, 500m+ faction modules), you're paying $10-$20 for a 5% bonus in most cases.
So even then, you're not getting any serious advantage.

And, current price spike aside, it's not exactly cost/time efficient to buy PLEXs.

Running C4's in a Tengu will net you around 200Mill/h.
(At least from my experience.)
That's only a couple of hours work.

Given price of PLEX, it's about the same amount of time commitment as working a minimum wage job for the same amount of time.

Which kind of makes sense.
As I see it, selling PLEX is one of the few ways to keep yourself caught up with players who have more time.
You can't play because you're working long hours? Throw a little extra ISK at the game once in a while to give yourself a bit of freedom. You can afford to lose that drake in PvP and come back for a second try.

Anyway, CCP's dangeorus liaisons with SOMER Blink have lead to some unforeseen consequences -namely a legal loophole to exchange ingame items for real money, which was there from the start but (supposedly) nobody exploited it until CCP pushed theiir luck too hard concerning SOMER Blink.

Map doesn't work. I have jumped into systems that were supposed to be empty and found lots of people. Its very inaccurate.

Or you could just fly what you can afford to lose. I consider all of my ships to be disposable, and if you are willing to pay RL cash for a second account that scouts for you how is that not pay to win?

The present system is actually designed to encourage teamwork with real live people not other versions of yourselves. I understand the value of solo play, but I am just continually amazed at people's lack of willingness to give it a try. You eventually start screening out the scum and wind up with solid comrades to fly with, from that you get cameraderie and friendship. It's an mmo after all...

This, oh god, this.
Couple points made in this thread i have made elsewhere in the last week: Couple hours punching NPCs or couple hours minimum wage will pay your sub. Neither is better or stupid or cheating or even pay to win.

EVE is this really unique environment where simpletons value you based on your fake ingame assets, ghosts value you on whether or not they can control or dominate you, beige people value you as much as you agree with them and the occasional human being treasures your trust.

Check the market, guise, trust aint there. I am against any development that removes the need for it. CCP deserve a little of your money, hand it over.

Which would mean flying t2 fitted T1 frigs and cruisers since the rest fitted are a good chunk of plex and I cant afford to be buying plex non stop. Its also very much about logistics, to go hunt or make isk in null requires lots of travel time unless you gimp your CPU for probe launcher and lose a high slot. Without a scout I would most likely die horribly at chokes and to the first frig that scrammed me with a cyno fitted.

I think you will find that the majority of null alliance members have their own scouts for traveling or ships in multiple stations and get around in frigs.

The way EvE is designed its suicide not to use scouts and its not possible to always travel in groups not for is it fun.

I am however against alt boosters, alt falcons etc although I do use those for PvE. Be surprised how many people choose to not scan me down when they see my falcon alt on dscan.

Just have a skim through the ALOD articles on TMC to get a picture of all the lucky winners.

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Pay2Win assumes you need to spend RL currency to prgoress in the game.

1) Eve does not have a classic Progress game concept
A bigger ship does not dominate the game. You are not saver if you can fly a bigger ship. (On the contrary)

2) A starting character can make the difference in fleet actions. You can team up with players of different Skillpoints and still every one is valueable to the fleet. I talk in overall Game Context not so much Area (High, 0.0, etc.) Context.

3) 0.0 is not the "End Game Content" in comparison to other envoirements like WH or High. They have all their pros and cons, that make the difference for Players. So the choice of area is not a choice of Progress it is a individual choice of Playstyle. No Progress gameing is done here.

Eve is a sandbox game. The Star Citizen has showed Market Potentials in Sandbox games, which makes it a good desicion to move further away from Progress game style Content. I see this development in the last Expansions. Especially the Ship Rebalancing toppic which eleminates domination of certain ships and represents a try to press all ships in certain use - stories.
(It is a try because it is still in Progress and the success can only be messured in after complition. However Indication are there that the rebalancing goals can be reached.)

The only thing that remains a potential thread turning eve into Pay2Win is the AUR shop. But that has a strong opposition within the eve comunnity , which almsot killed the shop in the past. I can not see that there is any danger comeing from the AUR shop. I peronly would like to see more Clothing stuff, and maybe some buyable optical enhancements. (Police siren for the comet ... lol)

Eve is a community dependend Game, without community this game will fail. I think thats also not new, since the CSM is now in its eigth period is a clear sign of this.

my 2 cents.
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.........EXACTLY LIKE THE UMP-TEEN THOUSAND OTHER THREADS ABOUT THIS THE PAST 10 FREAKING YEARS.

Eve has been pay to win for years.....

When you can purchase everything in game for cash, including characters, it's pay to win. Kinda late to start worrying about it now...