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Also we just finished a moon scan of the damn close to the whole of Eve, and know where all the moons are. Such as the ones in other people's space. Our Blops guys won't even have to fly around to find towers to put them on. They can just go directly to all the r64s.


Hey CCP, you should introduce more things that will wreck the game and make it easier for GSF put the rest of nullsec over a barrel. Goon tears! Goons tears! They cry when the game gets more boring! twisted twisted twisted

So basically, we just need to make trillions off it and get it trouble for massive manipulations, again

Or you could simply make sure that whoever lives in that space is responsible for blowing up siphons whenever detected, which is childs play because they show up on Dscan or to probes. Usually people doing anoms in the system will detect any new siphons and blow the little buggers out of the sky, or give a heads up to the owner of the POS (probably the former, and will keep whatever little bit of material that has been siphoned off as a tip for services rendered).

Either way the person "seeding" the siphons will quickly learn what systems are pointless to seed and quit throwing away money and time trying to do so. When they do find a system that is sparsely inhabited, has a POS worth siphoning from, and has a lax owner he might make some isk for a limited time. Hopefully enough to offset the money lost on detected and blown up siphons, and the time wasted on this rather large daily effort. Again, these siphons will fill up quick and will need to be checked frequently... and any one of them could actually be a trap to decloak and kill you.

So no, not so simple. I know you guys are worried about this a bit, but in this rare case I think self interest is coloring your usual object analysis of new content.

One interesting question... do you have to get close enough to decloak yourself when emptying a siphon?

No one is saying towers should extract safely. At least not that I have seen. They are saying that siphons are so cheap that there is no meaning to losing one or spamming them and by extension being profitable to do while an owner sleeps. I can tell you that we would spam 100's or 1000's of these without thinking about it. That is the problem, the ISK/reward isn't balanced. Change that and maybe not allow multiples per tower and all is well.

But hey, if you guys thought SBU spam by us was bad, wait until you see this.

Sorry for probably unneeded question about potential bug: This reporting will account for the 20% loss? Just asking because "what is syphoned" sounds potentially different to what was mined/made.

Thanks,
Sparks

Congratulations, CCP. You managed to turn POSes from the ideal source of PvP-driven income (fighting over moons) into something that's somehow more soul-crushignly boring than PvE (log in alt, check overview, log out, repeat every 3 hours 24/7).

10/10, next time consult ALI Virgo in F&I, he has better ideas than this.

Regarding Game Design:

Passive Income Streams should be the mopst at-risk income stream to active player intervention. The more active you (the owner) are, the less at-risk your income stream should be. Fully active income streams in EVE are actually the most dangerous/risky way to isk, as death from other pilots is always a concern outside High-Sec.

So while I think people appreciate that POS management is hard, POS owners should also realize that it's a mostly passive activity. Unlike Plex'ing, Ratting, Exploration of PvP, POS Operation does not require a direct one-for-one injection of time/effort -> isk.

In my view, POS's and Planetary Interaction should be the most easy isk-streams to interupt, steal from, disturb, disrupt, etc. The counter is that game design should create elements where additional active work on that stream meaningfully reduces the risk posed to it if it was left purely passive.

I believe this design meets that challenge.

If you want full income from your POS, a Corporate/Alliance level asset, you'll need to monitor it yourself more actively, or encourage your Corp/Alliance to actively police the space in which it lives/operates POS's.

Clearly, the most at-risk POS's here will be those of AFK Empires and AFK players who pop in once to fuel, then pop out again. And thats as it should be.

All of these factors should result in smaller empires and more policed Nullsec Space, opening opportunitires for renters/new nullsec holder, and promoting more PvP conflict as Alliances work to defend their lived-in space from raiders.

I'd rather see the contents of silos *not* reported in the API than see the API actively lying about the contents of silos. Allowing APIs to return falsified data is really not a great precedent to set, and I'm sure will be fragile in all kinds of ways.

this one mod is the single greatest anti-blue donut mechanic i have ever seen.

the fact that the large pos alliances are extreamly upset that they will actually have to monitor thier isk faucet makes me very happy.

never said that they should be safe to extract

i said that there should be some way or another for the POS owner to defend himself against these things. i for one would propose some kind of timer mechanic, so that a full syphon unit can only be picked up in a timeframe set by the defender.

As the Attacker:
If you don't show up to grab the package (and be willing to fight for it) you loose it.

As the Defender:
If you leave your POS undefended you will loose ypur stuff, if you show up with a bunch of small ships to defend it you might actually get a fight.