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Dev Blog: No Honor Among Thieves - Siphon Units in Rubicon

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Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#1081 - 2013-10-19 20:34:53 UTC
Gypsio III wrote:
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
Gypsio III wrote:
10 mill is too expensive for these siphons. The ones planted at valuable moons will just get blown up, while the ones planted at worthless moons won't run a profit, because it'll never be worth a pilot's time taking what they siphon.

They need to be cheaper to see significant use.


I'm fairly spacepoor for a goon and even I am planning on dropping at least half a billion on these if they are released as currently proposed just to screw with random pubbie shitlords, and I absolutely do not care if I ever get a drop of moon goo from them. In fact, I'm hoping some opportunistic scrubs will empty them for me. Maybe I'll give the locations to some randomly selected new players in starter systems just to get them going into low/null early on. So yes, make these cheaper.


If you drop two per POS, and visit a POS every minute, this will take you about 173,000 years. not including DT, of course. I applaud your commitment!

Giving the locations to newbies is a good idea though.

Half a billion isk buys 50 of these things so you need to check either your math or your reading comprehension.
Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#1082 - 2013-10-19 20:47:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Gypsio III
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
Gypsio III wrote:
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
Gypsio III wrote:
10 mill is too expensive for these siphons. The ones planted at valuable moons will just get blown up, while the ones planted at worthless moons won't run a profit, because it'll never be worth a pilot's time taking what they siphon.

They need to be cheaper to see significant use.


I'm fairly spacepoor for a goon and even I am planning on dropping at least half a billion on these if they are released as currently proposed just to screw with random pubbie shitlords, and I absolutely do not care if I ever get a drop of moon goo from them. In fact, I'm hoping some opportunistic scrubs will empty them for me. Maybe I'll give the locations to some randomly selected new players in starter systems just to get them going into low/null early on. So yes, make these cheaper.


If you drop two per POS, and visit a POS every minute, this will take you about 173,000 years. not including DT, of course. I applaud your commitment!

Giving the locations to newbies is a good idea though.

Half a billion isk buys 50 of these things so you need to check either your math or your reading comprehension.


Reading comp. pls.

I don't think 50 of them really matters, tbh. They'll just get blown up, particularly those dropped soon after release. You'll have to keep dropping them day after day. I'm a big fan of griefing, but I prefer not to do it to myself.
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#1083 - 2013-10-19 20:51:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Johnny Marzetti
It's enough to completely shut down 25 moons (edit: or one moon 25 times) and I'm just one bored poor guy. And I was responding to someone complaining that they will be too expensive.

Oh, a ninja edit. My point was, someone with actual resources will be able to do a lot with them at the proposed price.

Still gonna do this, though.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#1084 - 2013-10-19 20:58:12 UTC
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
It's enough to completely shut down 25 moons, and I'm just one bored poor guy. And I was responding to someone complaining that they will be too expensive.

Oh, a ninja edit. My point was, someone with actual resources will be able to do a lot with them at the proposed price.

Still gonna do this, though.

Harry Forever will shut down our towers

he wants you to feel it

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Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
#1085 - 2013-10-19 21:11:36 UTC
Well I do hope the Goonies little market manipulation thing actually works.This is just Caldari ice interdiction all over again - "ZOMG we will keel ur Mackinomnomnoms!"... *does nothing*.. prices still spike temporarily. Will make my stack of Marauders and Blops a bit more profitable.
Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#1086 - 2013-10-19 21:15:39 UTC
Johnny Marzetti wrote:


Oh, a ninja edit. My point was, someone with actual resources will be able to do a lot with them at the proposed price.


Oh, absolutely, and I fully appreciate that it's in the interest of the dominant moonholder to interfere with other entities' moons. But to do so will take a lot of effort, dropping siphons day after day, and I don't think it's a sensible use of a player's time. There'll be a big spike of interest just after introduction, but to keep it up week after week? I'm not convinced...
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#1087 - 2013-10-19 21:37:36 UTC
These goon tears are the best.

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Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#1088 - 2013-10-19 21:42:54 UTC
"You won't really use these to grief people." is basically a triple dog dare.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#1089 - 2013-10-19 22:37:21 UTC
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
"You won't really use these to grief people." is basically a triple dog dare.

Remember that shooting a region's worth of sov structures was also supposed to break our backs, from the great Gevlon Goblin

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Ereshgikal
Wharf Crusaders
#1090 - 2013-10-19 22:39:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Ereshgikal
Close thread please. Just same 4 characters repeating what they said 5 posts ago.

Edit: Or you can implement a proper "ignore" function on these #&!"#¤& forums.
Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1091 - 2013-10-19 22:44:23 UTC
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
"You won't really use these to grief people." is basically a triple dog dare.

You don't understand, WE are not supposed to use these to grief others, others are supposed to use this on Goons to grief us, because we are big meanies and bad people, and have all the moons and we won't share.Evil

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 
Fix Lag
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1092 - 2013-10-19 23:01:21 UTC
Ereshgikal wrote:
Close thread please. Just same 4 characters repeating what they said 5 posts ago.

Edit: Or you can implement a proper "ignore" function on these #&!"#¤& forums.


get out

CCP mostly sucks at their job, but Veritas is a pretty cool dude.
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#1093 - 2013-10-19 23:01:47 UTC
We are the goons
The goons who have moons
We are the goons
The goons who have moons
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#1094 - 2013-10-19 23:42:12 UTC
Falin Whalen wrote:
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
"You won't really use these to grief people." is basically a triple dog dare.

You don't understand, WE are not supposed to use these to grief others, others are supposed to use this on Goons to grief us, because we are big meanies and bad people, and have all the moons and we won't share.Evil

Yep.

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Miner Hottie
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1095 - 2013-10-20 00:59:36 UTC
Fix Lag wrote:
Ereshgikal wrote:
Close thread please. Just same 4 characters repeating what they said 5 posts ago.

Edit: Or you can implement a proper "ignore" function on these #&!"#¤& forums.


get out


And please play outside, the adults are conversing with the Mormon Missionaries.

It's all about how hot my mining lasers get.
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#1096 - 2013-10-20 01:37:43 UTC
hey guys please close this thread i'm tired of reading it in fact just turn off the whole internet i'm stick of all of it thanks
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#1097 - 2013-10-20 01:41:15 UTC
So reality is; pos siphons will be used to shut down the small operators while those with most of the decent moons remain pretty much untouchable and are very likely to actually profit from this whole thing..

Well done CCP, you've given the major power blocks another foot hold on total domination of eve.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1098 - 2013-10-20 02:01:54 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:
So reality is; pos siphons will be used to shut down the small operators while those with most of the decent moons remain pretty much untouchable and are very likely to actually profit from this whole thing..

Well done CCP, you've given the major power blocks another foot hold on total domination of eve.

By siphons being a real mechanic in the game, means it will create player traffic. This means the opportunity for combat increases. Any POS operators that rely on some 3rd party tool to play the game for them will be the ones to suffer the most. Any groups that actually inhabit the space they have POS in will be just fine as they will have eyes in the system to see when a siphon is deployed.

I can't believe how heavily some groups rely on programs to play the game for them and go out of their way to make sure AFK game play and mechanics remain a thing for EVE. Pathetic.
Ereshgikal
Wharf Crusaders
#1099 - 2013-10-20 02:26:29 UTC
Miner Hottie wrote:
Fix Lag wrote:
Ereshgikal wrote:
Close thread please. Just same 4 characters repeating what they said 5 posts ago.

Edit: Or you can implement a proper "ignore" function on these #&!"#¤& forums.


get out


And please play outside, the adults are conversing with the Mormon Missionaries.


Thank you for pointing out one of the reasons why Eve-O forums are shite.
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#1100 - 2013-10-20 02:31:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Sgt Ocker
Marlona Sky wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:
So reality is; pos siphons will be used to shut down the small operators while those with most of the decent moons remain pretty much untouchable and are very likely to actually profit from this whole thing..

Well done CCP, you've given the major power blocks another foot hold on total domination of eve.

By siphons being a real mechanic in the game, means it will create player traffic. This means the opportunity for combat increases. Any POS operators that rely on some 3rd party tool to play the game for them will be the ones to suffer the most. Any groups that actually inhabit the space they have POS in will be just fine as they will have eyes in the system to see when a siphon is deployed.

I can't believe how heavily some groups rely on programs to play the game for them and go out of their way to make sure AFK game play and mechanics remain a thing for EVE. Pathetic.
So what your saying, is run a small moon ming operation spread over a couple of systems i should do nothing but sit at the pos's 24/7 to guard them against thieves?? I run multiple toons a dedicated pos bunny and pvp toons, so what i need to do is not use my pvp toons for pvp as i am now expected to sit in a pos all day waiting for a siphon to be placed.

In fact what i will do is simply shut down the pos's as the required time vs income is no longer viable.. Not all pos setups make billions a month, some (like mine) generate enough income to enable me to pvp, if i have to commit more time to the pos's it is no longer viable because that's not how i want to play. Even with external programs I login to my pos's every day, to fuel them, move product around etc. It is by no means a passive income and requires upkeep. Result, the big players in moon mining get just a little more income due to my product no longer being there.


Do you use jabber or TS to enhance your game play?? Would you be happy to have them taken away so you need to sit in chat all day watching for fleets to go up instead of getting a ping? Do you use Evemon or something similar to monitor skill cues and how would you feel about the API not giving correct information and you end up with empty skill cues? Not everyone can be online every day so rely on external programs to make sure their chosen style of play is being maintained.

NB; very few actually inhabit the systems moon mining is done in as they often having nothing to offer other than moon mining.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.