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I have honestly never even seen moon goo and I wouldn't know where it comes from if I bumped up against it and decloaked myself, but I do love a good troll. I have also never pubicly agreed with the goons on anything but I have to admit i'm about to. I forecast the goons will take this s**t sammich, forge it into a big spiked di*do and ram it back up everyones as**s in such a manner that I will see most of you here on the 'OMG siphons OP please CCP make it stop" threadnought in six months. You little "i'm gonna take it to the big guys!!" people keep your chins up...your gonna need it.

A big spiked what.

Sorry can't say it out loud, been deleted enough off the forums. But I can whisper it in your ear..

And yet, clearly lemmings are smarter than the people who talk about them like they're stupid little creatures. You do know that whole 'lemmings running off of a cliff to drown' thing was staged, right? That the Disney producers had the scene filmed from below the edge of the cliff because the lemmings wouldn't suicide, so they were throwing them over the cliff?

Honestly, people getting basic facts wrong while trying to insult someone's intelligence... it's like the internet is full of morons!

I suppose next you'll lie to us and tell us Flower and Thumper did more than snuggle in the briar patch with their mates?

The analogy holds true, CCP is offer to toss you off a cliff with this thing. Where's the largest populations in EVE? And what are the 'other' siphoners gonna siphon? Mark my words its the little guys that are gonna end up paying, not the Null Alliances.

Don't you go spoiling my idealistic visions of a vast world-spanning network where intelligent people can communicate in erudite, carefully-written exchanges of well-thought-out ideas, leading to productive conversations that actually advance mutual understa-...


... ok, I can't even finish that thought without cracking up. I'm'a go back to reading Poptart's 'Let's All Play Battletech and Re-Write the History of the Inner Sphere' LP.

I'm back now. Only 3 new posts.

(b) is just bad. Please, limit stupid limits. Siphons are cheap: fire and forget. It should not even have an owner. And yet you are planning to limit it? What if I have placed all of mine out in MNVX-27, I want to launch another? Are you going to let me evaporate one at range? Ugh.

I am indifferent to (a). I just don't see the loss as an issue. 10% is fine. Even 0% is fine.

The problem with siphons is not that they create waste. It is that they induce awful gameplay without adding much by way of cool gameplay. Specifically, they encourage checking a POS continually in order to get info about a costly event. The theft is happening hourly, it is substantial, and there is no warning of it except looking. You have to check.

Yes, the market will work its magic. As POS owners find extraction unprofitable, they leave the business, and prices rise. Eventually there is stability, where the price is high enough that the remaining producers make a profit even though they are losing 20% or whatever to siphons. But the underlying nasty game dynamic is unchanged. The way to compete, to stay profitable, is to check more often than the other guys. So the guys leaving the market will be those that have jobs and lives. The remaining ones are those who can check, if not every hour, every few hours at worst. They are all competing against each other to be the one that checks most diligently. This is unfun for all owners, but they cannot opt out of the race against each other without becoming unprofitable.

Further, siphons do not generate much PVP. About the most you can say about that is that perhaps some people will get killed trying to sneak across nullsec in their blockade runners loaded with siphons. But in terms of what happens at a POS, nothing. If the owner discovers the thing, he goes out and takes back the goo. Then he blows up the siphon using POS guns or a few minutes of Dominix. Leave a domi and gardes at each pos, sitting there, waiting for use. If a thief finds a siphon, he nips in cloaked and aligned, checks and grabs, and is out of there. The POS won't stop him and neither will anything except maybe an interceptor sitting close. If there is an interceptor, the thief does not uncloak. But an interceptor is highly unlikely, since there is no reason for the POS owner to believe that a thief will come at any particular time.

The real problem is the asynchronous design. I realize this seems like a feature to some, but it's bad. Siphons should generate conflict. Make them steal a substantial chunk but much less often, and notify both their owner and the thief at the same time, a time that neither one can predict. This is what I proposed a few pages back. Most of the time, one guy or the other will show up unopposed, because the other one is asleep or at work. Or because the POS owner is absentee and the thief is local. But at least part of the time (and more on weekends), both will show up at about the same time. Then, at least there is a chance for some interesting interaction. Not necessarily at the POS; it could be at a gate. The point is that you are encouraging both the thief and the owner to come, and at the same time.

Siegefleet, meet SiphonFleet

goon tears

Because the information it would provide would render this wonderful addition to the game pointless. I guess why log into the game and play it when API program can play it for you right?...