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I think they don't understand that amount of people doesn't need to be in the same corp. They will have syphons from enemy alliances, pirates, highsec dwellers, everybody will be syphoning.

In fact, if there weren't a limit per player (i think 10 is fair enough), there would be too many syphons. If 10 gives you many millions of ISK, is fair enough.

oh no my internet spaceship guild is ideologically bankrupt

IDEOLOGICALLY BANKRUPT

we might lose the mandate of heaven :ohdear:

I already mentioned that earlier, lol.

You probably better go read the post again.

sure thing that and trial characters cannot deploy the shiphon unit.

ah crap i quoted instead of editing...

derp

These are obscenely overpowered.

No notifications? So now I have to literally ******* check every hour? Are you guys insane or just stupid?

The amount siphoned is ridiculous. And it doesn't scale if there's multiple?

You leave zero incentive to actually run a tower. The tedious task of having to manually check EVERY HOUR per tower is simply a horrid idea. Slap two of the things on? The tower owner is getting fuckall.

I'm all for the idea of cheap siphon units, but at the point where they completely negate the ability to run a tower without having to be a lifeless, sleepless tower checking zombie EVERY SINGLE HOUR? FFS, you can't seriously expect that- this is a game, not a job.

I guess my question is why are other goons talking about controlling T2 prices as if the cartel was still in place? Also my understanding was that alchemy put price limits on things, but did not actually force the price down below the cost of the alchemical components. So theoretically Goons, who are now stretched pretty thin even for their large numbers, will have difficulty defending all their territory as would any large entity. Effectively that's what Guerrilla warfare is about -- taking on your enemy when they can't dictate the rules of engagement. For anyone who doesn't have a POS -- and that's quite a few -- they have an asymmetric advantage. NPC corpdom allows them to harass without real fear of repercussions unless Goons just really want to start getting CONCORDed left and right and that may be their only option to send a message. Also if this is wide-spread enough Goons won't know who to attack first.

At first I didn't really care about this particular feature. But the more I see it, the more I recognize that EVE really needs Guerrilla tactics. It needs the ability for large entities to be harassed by smaller entities to solve the problem of the fact that Goons are too big and too good at large scale conflict to be challenged that way. Honestly I think it's the only way EVE can survive. The game can't survive with the current mechanics. There needs to be new ways to disrupt big entities to the point where being that big just isn't viable anymore. EVE needs city-states, not nations. And I hope CCP gives that to us.

So shooting down a moon harvester and giving the loot to the small raider is something which benefits the big alliances.... I like the way big alliances support us.

Think the opposite, more than 10 syphons per player. All the POS colapsed with syphons, the loot sharing between the different syphons (although I have heard something about priorities if you are the first placing your syphon, but what about the others then if 2 shut down a pos?) Eventually, poses would be useless, but nobody will reap the rewards because they will be too splitted.

Both are bad ideas. The first make it even less worthwhile to siphon a low-value moon. You're not siphoning anything of real value and it takes a long time to recoup your 10 mill, but at least you're disrupting the owner's AFK mining operations. Halving the loss to 10% greatly diminishes the motivation for siphoning these typically less-watched moons.

The second simply favours larger entities and alt creation.