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Dev Blog: No Honor Among Thieves - Siphon Units in Rubicon

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Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#561 - 2013-10-18 02:20:52 UTC
You know what? This is going to be awesome.
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#562 - 2013-10-18 02:24:17 UTC
Just had another brilliant idea you can do with these siphons... you can use an alt, and rob your corp/alliance with them while remaining in the corp/alliance. Twisted

I am thinking you could achieve this by deploying them with covert ops, then returning with a blockade runner, and do drive by ( warp in cloaked to a bookmark, align to a point that will take you within distance of picking the product up from the siphon, uncloak quickly, pick the stuff up, warp off) pick ups while aligned to a warp out point. Will have to mess around with it on the Test server to see if this can be done. Lol
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#563 - 2013-10-18 02:29:53 UTC
I Love Boobies wrote:
Just had another brilliant idea you can do with these siphons... you can use an alt, and rob your corp/alliance with them while remaining in the corp/alliance. Twisted

I am thinking you could achieve this by deploying them with covert ops, then returning with a blockade runner, and do drive by ( warp in cloaked to a bookmark, align to a point that will take you within distance of picking the product up from the siphon, uncloak quickly, pick the stuff up, warp off) pick ups while aligned to a warp out point. Will have to mess around with it on the Test server to see if this can be done. Lol


Should have just made them anonymous. Intragroup theft is the only redeeming feature so far.

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M1k3y Koontz
House of Musashi
Stay Feral
#564 - 2013-10-18 02:53:46 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
I Love Boobies wrote:
Just had another brilliant idea you can do with these siphons... you can use an alt, and rob your corp/alliance with them while remaining in the corp/alliance. Twisted

I am thinking you could achieve this by deploying them with covert ops, then returning with a blockade runner, and do drive by ( warp in cloaked to a bookmark, align to a point that will take you within distance of picking the product up from the siphon, uncloak quickly, pick the stuff up, warp off) pick ups while aligned to a warp out point. Will have to mess around with it on the Test server to see if this can be done. Lol


Should have just made them anonymous. Intragroup theft is the only redeeming feature so far.


You forgot the ability to troll people who don't check on their towers.

How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
Gargep Farrow
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#565 - 2013-10-18 03:13:06 UTC
Not being a null dweller I will not comment on how this will affect gameplay there.

What I do want to comment is that if i were to come on to the forums and whine that my Hulk got blown up while I was AFK how much sympathy would I get? Not one damn bit. In fact I would be told about how poor my play style is?

Think about it.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#566 - 2013-10-18 03:17:34 UTC
how adorable

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#567 - 2013-10-18 03:18:26 UTC
also, let's remove reinforcement timers

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Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#568 - 2013-10-18 03:19:37 UTC
Petty and illusory feelings of revenge are the best metrics for design implementation.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#569 - 2013-10-18 03:21:09 UTC
progodlegend's plan moves towards fruition

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Laendra
Universalis Imperium
Goonswarm Federation
#570 - 2013-10-18 03:22:27 UTC
Khador Vess wrote:

I hope you enjoy a break from the forums... seem like posting here is not good for you

I know not what you speak of.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#571 - 2013-10-18 03:27:42 UTC
Why am I even posting here, it seems we've gotten all the relevant information?

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PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#572 - 2013-10-18 03:32:36 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
Change is good. More tears for the tear throne.

The amount of goon ship toasting in this thread is a wonderful indicator of things to come. Twisted
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#573 - 2013-10-18 03:37:20 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Change is good.
Not really, no.
Good change is good. Bad changes, such as making the data export not export data, on the other hand is not good.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#574 - 2013-10-18 03:45:03 UTC
Tippia wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Change is good.
Not really, no.
Good change is good. Bad changes, such as making the data export not export data, on the other hand is not good.


Yeah, I understand and agree with the intent but buggering with API data is the wrong way to achieve it.

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#575 - 2013-10-18 03:46:40 UTC
I Love Boobies wrote:
Just had another brilliant idea you can do with these siphons... you can use an alt, and rob your corp/alliance with them while remaining in the corp/alliance. Twisted

I am thinking you could achieve this by deploying them with covert ops, then returning with a blockade runner, and do drive by ( warp in cloaked to a bookmark, align to a point that will take you within distance of picking the product up from the siphon, uncloak quickly, pick the stuff up, warp off) pick ups while aligned to a warp out point. Will have to mess around with it on the Test server to see if this can be done. Lol


does the full api show alts?

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#576 - 2013-10-18 03:48:39 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
Tippia wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Change is good.
Not really, no.
Good change is good. Bad changes, such as making the data export not export data, on the other hand is not good.

Nothing about this change is bad. Most of the worthwhile moons in the game are owned by two(?) powerblocks. They want to use their resources to **** with each other? Good, not like that hasn't happened before. Roll

The only thing that changed is that the rest of eve can now partake in moon conflicts. Follow the money. A convenient "value of regions" chart that shows the main cause of the last big war.

The smaller entities don't really have significant assets that are at risk from these siphons. Goons do (see the aforementioned chart Cool). They have no recourse. What are they gonna do, siphon N3's moons? What do I care. Hence all the shiptoasting in this thread.

This is a good change.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#577 - 2013-10-18 03:50:39 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Siphon from CSAAs, steal titan bits.


and that son is where baby titans come from...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
RubaixX
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#578 - 2013-10-18 04:03:30 UTC
FlinchingNinja Kishunuba wrote:
Make it so you can offline and make it cloak please.



yeah and i want one that can warp cloaked too, with guns.


derp.

Eve Vegas - 2013
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#579 - 2013-10-18 04:05:25 UTC
Gargep Farrow wrote:
Not being a null dweller I will not comment on how this will affect gameplay there.

What I do want to comment is that if i were to come on to the forums and whine that my Hulk got blown up while I was AFK how much sympathy would I get? Not one damn bit. In fact I would be told about how poor my play style is?

Think about it.


Actually, that's exactly what happened and miners got massive buffs, so maybe you should think about it.
Nirnaeth Ornoediad
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#580 - 2013-10-18 04:11:46 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
pmchem wrote:
For a moment, let us imagine the future equilibrium for this gameplay element:

Guy with cargo-expanded covert cloaking ship and a bunch of siphons is AFK cloaking in a system with a R32 or R64 moon. He un-AFKs at a random time once or twice a day, drops or scoops siphons. Meanwhile, random griefer with a bubble-immune fast-warp interceptor flies by a dozen moons dropping siphons, including this one.

POS owner has nothing to defeat AFK cloaking or interceptors. They detect unexpected silo levels as their real life schedule allows and log in an alt, gun the POS, and shoot the siphons. In the meantime he's lost all his goo production for a big chunk of the day because there were 8 siphons attached to the POS -- they're so cheap, they're just a fire-and-forget griefer tool. There's no 'timer' at which both forces must meet to determine the fate of the gameplay element, so it's entirely async and the two sides never interact in realtime.

Result: higher moon goo prices, more AFK cloaky alts (which honestly seems to be the sort of terrible gameplay CCP is encouraging these days), nobody particularly having fun unless you enjoy griefing (which, hey, it's EVE -- many do). But nobody is rewarded for spending time developing or living in a system ... only for random, short logins to push butan. It's poor gameplay.

Rubicon: burnt farms and salted fields.

Or... you could actually occupy the space you decide to deploy assets in with other players from your corp, alliance, coalition?

Okay, you be the one to camp all of your POSes with Instacanes. You'll need enough to fast-lock a cloaky hauler--who will need to dumb enough to decloak--or to alpha an inty who might land well outside of optimal.

The problem with this mechanic isn't that "living in your space can prevent it"; the problem is that the opportunity cost for the aggressor is so low compared to the massive PIA it will create for POS owners.

Ironically, GSF has by far the best operational capability to blanket entire Regions with these things.

Fix POSes.  Every player should want one (even if all players can't have one).