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War's and burn jita were fun, an entertaining use of your time.

This will be mind numbingly boring and a time sink with little actual payoff for the pilots participating. The money doesn't matter all that much, but endless, pointless repetition doesn't generally sit well with most players outside of high sec.

I'm agreeing with your goals, I'm saying your proposed method is not going to work for your particular organization long term.

I think you are being wilfully blind to how the bloc could be gamed against you. I am surprised. I do not think they could turn themselves into a "unified cohesive bloc" anymore than highsec entities could. Not by themselves.

Much as I have enjoyed the coalition level tears in this thread I am in no hurry to see goons in particular fall. I make most of my isk by predicting mid term market responses to your long term manipulations.

yeah, because we are totally going to form 500 dudes to defend those few million ISK one could steal from our towers each day.

we are not going to shrug of those millions, especially not in the long run

BUT: we are also not be like :CTA: all the time. It's something that would generate buzz on corp or corp + close friends level

This is in every way a horrible idea. If you want there to be a window of non-detection, just delay the cache refresh, but to make the system designed to export data from in-game to out-of-game for the analysis through player tools not fulfil its purpose of providing in-game data, means you might as well not provide the data to begin with since you've just made it inherently useless.

This is a bad solution. Come up with a new one.

so, time to switch to caldari pos and put a moon harvester on those ****** materials like hydrocarbons and stuff so the siphons don't touch my reactions...

nice, thanks CCP

This will likely be true if and only if it is used in the way it was intended, such as a small corp or solo pilot secretly depositing one at an R64 or R32 moon. Goons manipulation of prices will be based on denying those materials (except for the ones they sell) to the market thereby increasing the rarity of those items, subsequently increasing the price through lack of supply. Siphons automatically destroy 20% of what they siphon so any alliance POS management will suffer at least some loss.



Goons aren't just richer, they are at the point where their riches can actually influence the game on a large scale. But it just isn't the isk. Goonswarm also has very good leadership (though many don't like them) and a playerbase that understands how effective they can be with they obey orders, even in the long term. Goon's finances allow them to buffer their own members from any financial pains that their actions might cause.



As I mentioned before, to be profitable for the time, you'd need to hit R64 moons primarily.. of which they are the most watched and most guarded. The R64s and R32s that aren't so well watched are far away in null-sec which would require substantial risk as well as time. Would you spend 5 to 6 hours sneaking into deep null-sec, placing siphons at certain moons with your blockade runner for only about 180mil isk a trip? It might be profitable for some who know where to go, but it certainly won't be a tool of the masses.

Seeing in this topic, how much butthurt have people from goons, I think that siphons is the best new thing in Rubicon

First, if you really want to see this used, don't put the owner's name on it. All it's going to do it promote usage through some un-associated alt in an NPC corp. Let's bypass that and just have it be anonymous. Guerrilla warfare only works when your opponent can't just use a locator agent to find you and hunt you down.

Second, I'm not sure why people are complaining about harassment now given the fact that the harasser's identity will be known. Just wardec them or hunt them down and kill them. That's your conflict driver. Goons getting tired of being griefed? Go kill the people taking your stuff.

That said, I think they're wrong about the T2 market. This is an effective way to break the cartel. People will be stealing valuable moon goo and then selling it on the market. Supply may go down, but the number of suppliers will go up as goons have their POSes bled of their goo. We'l see who ends up being right.

Go to forums and cry oceans before it's even released?

How exactly are you supposed to get near a pos at 50km? pos guns will instantly kill you... especially if you are in a hauler. No the siphons should jettison the cargo like PI does. Then leave it up to the player to either probe down the can or warp to bookmark.