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Major Warp Speed problems

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Supreme clientele
The Dikembe Mutombo Shotblocking Team
#21 - 2013-10-17 18:57:58 UTC
Working as intended.....move along. Oh gawd forbid you actually had to fight in a subcap.
Forlorn Wongraven
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#22 - 2013-10-17 18:59:55 UTC
Supreme clientele wrote:
Working as intended.....move along. Oh gawd forbid you actually had to fight in a FRIGATE.

Fixed.

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Supreme clientele
The Dikembe Mutombo Shotblocking Team
#23 - 2013-10-17 19:00:19 UTC
ADD covert ops cloaks to interdictors.......please and thank you....
Quiby San
#24 - 2013-10-17 22:31:23 UTC
I welcome and enjoy the new warp speed system.
Makes the universe less secure and that's always a good thing :)
Supreme clientele
The Dikembe Mutombo Shotblocking Team
#25 - 2013-10-17 23:26:42 UTC
It gives supercap blobbers anal discomfort.Cool
Tuitian Bogel
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2013-10-17 23:39:09 UTC
This could make eve interesting again..
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#27 - 2013-10-18 00:05:19 UTC
Supreme clientele wrote:
It gives supercap blobbers anal discomfort.Cool


It should do the same thing to small roaming gangs and solo-roamers, since rather than seeing that cyno covops warp in it will just instantly materialize and have the cyno already lit before you can do anything about it.
The Ironfist
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2013-10-18 00:38:16 UTC
That new warp system is broken as ****. Everyone being happy that it might lead to planty of dead capitals and supercapitals fails to see that it will also completely kill any sort of Battleship warfare because the ability to disengage a battle is completely gone. Its either complete victory or complete whelp with this nothing in between. I for one am happy I sold my titans:)

And maka is right nobody in his right mind is going to use supers for anything with mechanics going live like this. Back to the era of subcap grinding in dominion sov thats just what the game needed. CCP looking out for us... But hey we get some ****** new ships in this newest patch of ccp called expansion. I really wonder were all the money is going clearly not into EVE.
Makalu Zarya
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
#29 - 2013-10-18 01:55:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Makalu Zarya
this honestly hurts the little guys more than the big guys. Those people with 3-4 supers who are paranoid about anything and everything will suddenly find themselves caught whether they want to or not, just because they happened to have **** luck.

The big guys who get their supers caught will just drop more supers until it's either a super vs super megablob, also known as Asakai 2.0 which heck i'm all in favor of, or more like you will get enough capitals to blot out the sun, where eventually the other side will be forced to disengage, much like it is right now anyway. Granted however disengaging with these warp speed is going to be very very hard if someone is really determined to keep you on field.

People who can replace caps and supers will continue to use them, everyone else will wait for better days.

Also as for drive by DDs with a titan, yea those will be few and very far between, seeing how a dictor can literally be 2 jumps away and still get to you in time and bubble you before you wait out the 1 minute or so that it takes you to warp.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#30 - 2013-10-18 04:12:16 UTC
Deepscan?
I've got himtackled
Doomheim
#31 - 2013-10-18 05:01:33 UTC  |  Edited by: I've got himtackled
Makalu Zarya wrote:
So i went on the test server and played around with warping my dictor and interceptor.

Fitted my sabre with 2xt2 warp rigs which gave it 12.5 au/s warp speed and parked my super in one of the combat areas. Since i'm -10, and have default overview it is for me to spot my sabre from my super's screen.

What I wanted to see is how fast the max warp speed sabre would appear on the nyx grid from the point of view of the super. To my amazement my dictor simply appeared. I did not see it warp in, it simply materialized at 0 on my super. Later i had a corp-mate log it to check if it did the same for him and it did. Even fully aligned he was not able to warp out of my bubble since well...i simply appeared and bubbled him, by the time he reacted to press warp it was already too late.

this perhaps has to do with limited capabilities of the test server of course but this seems really really broken, not just for supers but for everything in general. Fleets will be bubbled without ever seeing the dictor that warped on top of them and even have a chance to warp out.

It's funny because you warped a super fleet to the K-6 station and lost them all to a man bar the coward nano Hel.

CorryBasler wrote:
yep, being told by maka he will warp to me when im fully aligned, i held my finger over the warp button, i told him to warp in so i even knew it was coming. He warped, materialized next to me litterly the second i saw his sabre on overview i hit warp, i even hit warp before the bubble showed on my screen but i then got the message and the bubble was there.

If this was a real combat situation, you would not know when they would be warping in, but that wouldn't matter anyways since even if you know and are fully aligned with your finger over your clicker on the warp button it apears and bubbles before u can hit warp....

It's funny because you're one of the guys who died in Odamia because you weren't aligned.

Makalu Zarya wrote:
this honestly hurts the little guys more than the big guys. Those people with 3-4 supers who are paranoid about anything and everything will suddenly find themselves caught whether they want to or not, just because they happened to have **** luck.

The big guys who get their supers caught will just drop more supers until it's either a super vs super megablob, also known as Asakai 2.0 which heck i'm all in favor of, or more like you will get enough capitals to blot out the sun, where eventually the other side will be forced to disengage, much like it is right now anyway. Granted however disengaging with these warp speed is going to be very very hard if someone is really determined to keep you on field.

People who can replace caps and supers will continue to use them, everyone else will wait for better days.

Also as for drive by DDs with a titan, yea those will be few and very far between, seeing how a dictor can literally be 2 jumps away and still get to you in time and bubble you before you wait out the 1 minute or so that it takes you to warp.

Those guys with 3-4 supers only use them in lowsec anyway.

I'm not sure what we're supposed to take away from this, are we supposed to be sad that PL will no longer be dropping supers? I mean, not that you do much of that anyway with BL pushing your **** in all over the place, but y'know.

The Ironfist wrote:
Everyone being happy that it might lead to planty of dead capitals and supercapitals fails to see that it will also completely kill any sort of Battleship warfare because the ability to disengage a battle is completely gone. Its either complete victory or complete whelp with this nothing in between.
.

Do you know there's a thing called 'MJD'?
Makalu Zarya
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
#32 - 2013-10-18 05:18:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Makalu Zarya
i too like to post with a no-name alt, god forbid I would troll with my main. Thank you for your input though, very relevant.

oh and just for the record corry didn't warp cause no warp order was given, i'm sure you would've warped like a coward however.
I've got himtackled
Doomheim
#33 - 2013-10-18 05:30:55 UTC
Makalu Zarya wrote:
i too like to post with a no-name alt, god forbid I would troll with my main. Thank you for your input though, very relevant.

oh and just for the record corry didn't warp cause no warp order was given, i'm sure you would've warped like a coward however.

No warp order was given because there was no FC, thanks for clarifying that PL supers are helpless and incapable of thought if there is no FC.
Siern Scottsman
The Singularity Syndicate
#34 - 2013-10-18 09:19:09 UTC
Supreme clientele wrote:
ADD covert ops cloaks to interdictors.......please and thank you....


I read that as A.D.D for interdictors... Shocked
Imediately I pictured a kid bouncing arround between celestials like a pinball machine Twisted
dexter xio
Dead Game.
#35 - 2013-10-18 09:28:40 UTC
I've got himtackled wrote:
Makalu Zarya wrote:
i too like to post with a no-name alt, god forbid I would troll with my main. Thank you for your input though, very relevant.

oh and just for the record corry didn't warp cause no warp order was given, i'm sure you would've warped like a coward however.

No warp order was given because there was no FC, thanks for clarifying that PL supers are helpless and incapable of thought if there is no FC.


wow.

Dead Game.

Kossaw
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
#36 - 2013-10-18 21:09:58 UTC
Thanks to all for deailing the thread. GD is that way ----- >>>

THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT SUPERCAPS ( or whatever flavour of the month alliance is flying them )

The issue is that with the new warp speed mechanics an interdictor insta-appears on grid and bubbles before ANYBODY sees it or can do anything about it. It doesnt mater what youre flying - if youre in a sniping BS, youre f$&@ed, if youre in a ratting carrier, youre f$&@ed, if youre in a Retriever perfectly aligned at full speed, youre f$&@ed, ( although if youre in a retriever in 0.0 what did you expect Pirate ) if youre in a FRIGATE you dont have any time to deal with it.

If dictors could warp cloaked we would all be pretty unhappy about it. This effect is EXACTLY the same. The dictor arrives on grid unseen and can either bubble or cloak immediately before it even appears on your overview.

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Bobby Anzomi
Doomheim
#37 - 2013-10-18 22:28:59 UTC
Kossaw wrote:
Thanks to all for deailing the thread. GD is that way ----- >>>

THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT SUPERCAPS ( or whatever flavour of the month alliance is flying them )

The issue is that with the new warp speed mechanics an interdictor insta-appears on grid and bubbles before ANYBODY sees it or can do anything about it. It doesnt mater what youre flying - if youre in a sniping BS, youre f$&@ed, if youre in a ratting carrier, youre f$&@ed, if youre in a Retriever perfectly aligned at full speed, youre f$&@ed, ( although if youre in a retriever in 0.0 what did you expect Pirate ) if youre in a FRIGATE you dont have any time to deal with it.

If dictors could warp cloaked we would all be pretty unhappy about it. This effect is EXACTLY the same. The dictor arrives on grid unseen and can either bubble or cloak immediately before it even appears on your overview.



I like everything about this statement, am I the only person thinking of all the ships that will die? This has biggest effects on small fleets I think. Its going to make them 10x more interesting. I can't count how many times I have landed on grid with a carrier in a anom and watched it warp away as I land. Just makes me sad.

And if you worried about a large fleet, grow up. If you cant kill a sabre with 80 guys your doing it wrong.

Also did you guys test this with cruisers, battleships ect? Or did you just test it with one ship and get mad.
Diivil
Magellanic Itg
Goonswarm Federation
#38 - 2013-10-19 00:27:33 UTC
It's funny how people start to finally realise how game changing this change actually is. I tried to raise some points in the feedback thread but the whole thread is pretty much dead already and no one seems to care =)
Lelob
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2013-10-19 05:31:13 UTC
Evidently not alot of people in this thread have been caught when a neutral dictor warps down to the gate and lights a cyno.

The effect here will be that you will jump in your fleet/gang through a gate and a cyno will magically appear with a bubble on top of your gang in under a second, pretty much as if a dictor had been cloaked on grid. It is going to make it very, very easy to drop titan blobs onto smaller, unsuspecting gangs. This is basically how us large blobby alliances get fights, and being on the receiving end of these cynos really does mean death when 50-100 guys jump ontop of your 10 man gang.

Will this change have an affect on super's and caps? Probably, but for most people the real change is going to come from getting their gangs dropped on by larger blobs with absolutely no warning. Most people don't have to worry about caps, and it's silly to think that they will all suddenly die because of this change: it will probably just mean more risk averse super pilots.
Axe slash
#40 - 2013-10-19 12:23:25 UTC
I tested different scenarios and i can guarantee you not even a scout will save you if a dictor enters local and you are midwarp.
As a dictor pilot you will not even have to be half decent and still catch anything that moves in a 2 jumps radius.

Interceptors, fine, dictors need to be tuned down a bit imo.